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You don't have to point to human history, though that's a good source of missing scripts. Waving off scripts actually in use as "increasingly obscure", while c

You don't have to point to human history, though that's a good source of missing scripts. Waving off scripts actually in use as "increasingly obscure", while cheering Unicode throwing in any icon random geeks pitch to them, misses the purpose of Unicode.

acdha 10y ago
You're tossing that assertion around without supporting it – what commonly used characters are not in Unicode? How many people use them? Are they not in Unicode because nobody cares or because there is a lack of someone authoritative helping codify the list or contentious disagreements about some aspects of that work?
- Semiapies 10y ago
  Seriously, you're able to Google up those other links, but you somehow can't find the (non-exhaustive) Unsupported Scripts list or the Proposed New Scripts pages on the Unicode site? And, without knowing the situation for any of them, you're going to throw out excuses for why the absences don't matter? These aren't characters, but entire scripts that are not part of the standard. Nor are major scripts like kanji complete. But, hey. Power button icon.
  - acdha 10y ago
    Again, you're the one making the claim. Can you precisely state what you believe to be the problem and cite some sources that this is a major problem and that nobody is working on it? More importantly, ask why it seems unreasonable that a small number of very widely-used ISO standard symbols were incorporated quickly? Wouldn't that be the most reasonable expectation since it lacks the political heat of e.g. Han unification and doesn't require any research or debate to establish that they are used, have a precise meaning, and are not covered by existing codepoints?
    - Semiapies 10y ago
      I've already stated my complaint: that getting gratuitous icons into Unicode is easier than actual scripts for human languages. Since you're having Google issues, I'll link you to a page I already mentioned, which it self links to other relevant pages http://unicode.org/standard/unsupported.html http://unicode.org/standard/unsupported.html I love the echoing nature of these counter-arguments, that a problem doesn't even exist unless it's "major" and "nobody is working on it". I wonder how many actual different human beings have responded to me in this thread...
      - acdha 10y ago
        You might find your conversations work better if you respond to what people are actually saying rather than repeating yourself or assuming that other people don't know how to use Google, particularly after they've already sent you links which comprehensively disprove your assertion by demonstrating how many new characters are being added and that emoji constitute less than 1% of the 7,500 new characters in Unicode 9.0. Since you're hung up on http://unicode.org/standard/unsupported.html http://unicode.org/standard/unsupported.html, let's read it and see how many languages are missing: * Loma: 250K speakers, and this is to codify characters used for personal correspondence in the 1930-40s: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2010/10005-n3756-loma.pdf http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2010/10005-n3756-loma.pdf * Naxi Dongba: a pictographic script used by priests in an ethnic group of roughly 300K people: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2011/11178-n4043.pdf http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2011/11178-n4043.pdf Your original claim was that “Unicode don't actually have anything like coverage of the entirety of every script and alphabet” but you're arguing about things which affect something like 0.008% of people – not even their primary usage – and for which there is work in progress to support! Nobody is saying that Unicode is complete, but like any other human effort there's a limited amount of time to work on things. At some point things which are used daily by billions of people are going to get prioritized over things which are used infrequently by thousands of people, and it's hard to argue that this is wrong even if you – like me – want to have 100% of human language represented in Unicode.
        Semiapies 10y ago

acdha 10y ago

You're tossing that assertion around without supporting it – what commonly used characters are not in Unicode? How many people use them? Are they not in Unicode because nobody cares or because there is a lack of someone authoritative helping codify the list or contentious disagreements about some aspects of that work?

Semiapies 10y ago
Seriously, you're able to Google up those other links, but you somehow can't find the (non-exhaustive) Unsupported Scripts list or the Proposed New Scripts pages on the Unicode site? And, without knowing the situation for any of them, you're going to throw out excuses for why the absences don't matter? These aren't characters, but entire scripts that are not part of the standard. Nor are major scripts like kanji complete. But, hey. Power button icon.
- acdha 10y ago
  Again, you're the one making the claim. Can you precisely state what you believe to be the problem and cite some sources that this is a major problem and that nobody is working on it? More importantly, ask why it seems unreasonable that a small number of very widely-used ISO standard symbols were incorporated quickly? Wouldn't that be the most reasonable expectation since it lacks the political heat of e.g. Han unification and doesn't require any research or debate to establish that they are used, have a precise meaning, and are not covered by existing codepoints?
  - Semiapies 10y ago
    I've already stated my complaint: that getting gratuitous icons into Unicode is easier than actual scripts for human languages. Since you're having Google issues, I'll link you to a page I already mentioned, which it self links to other relevant pages http://unicode.org/standard/unsupported.html http://unicode.org/standard/unsupported.html I love the echoing nature of these counter-arguments, that a problem doesn't even exist unless it's "major" and "nobody is working on it". I wonder how many actual different human beings have responded to me in this thread...
    - acdha 10y ago
      You might find your conversations work better if you respond to what people are actually saying rather than repeating yourself or assuming that other people don't know how to use Google, particularly after they've already sent you links which comprehensively disprove your assertion by demonstrating how many new characters are being added and that emoji constitute less than 1% of the 7,500 new characters in Unicode 9.0. Since you're hung up on http://unicode.org/standard/unsupported.html http://unicode.org/standard/unsupported.html, let's read it and see how many languages are missing: * Loma: 250K speakers, and this is to codify characters used for personal correspondence in the 1930-40s: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2010/10005-n3756-loma.pdf http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2010/10005-n3756-loma.pdf * Naxi Dongba: a pictographic script used by priests in an ethnic group of roughly 300K people: http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2011/11178-n4043.pdf http://www.unicode.org/L2/L2011/11178-n4043.pdf Your original claim was that “Unicode don't actually have anything like coverage of the entirety of every script and alphabet” but you're arguing about things which affect something like 0.008% of people – not even their primary usage – and for which there is work in progress to support! Nobody is saying that Unicode is complete, but like any other human effort there's a limited amount of time to work on things. At some point things which are used daily by billions of people are going to get prioritized over things which are used infrequently by thousands of people, and it's hard to argue that this is wrong even if you – like me – want to have 100% of human language represented in Unicode.
      - Semiapies 10y ago