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Ask HN: How to handle staging environments?

I'm a full-time Wordpress developer and I'm constantly working with staging environments in order to present progress to clients and conduct testing. Creating a new staging environment is of course simple whilst working with PHP: create a new subfolder on web host, connect to host-provided database and you're done. (yes, the simple process does come with some drawbacks, no git etc.) In my off-time I've been trying other kinds of web development, Ruby on Rails and the like. Development environments are easy to set up but staging has proven more difficult. Using my own VPS is affordable but takes quite a bit of work even for something simple, and using a PaaS such as Heroku quickly becomes way to expensive for a side project. Any suggestions on how to handle staging? What does your staging workflow look like?

penguinlinux 10y ago
you can use an instance that has docker on it, then setup docker compose files with wordpress, git , apache and setup a port. then on the machine setup virtualhost to point to the entry tcp port of the docker instance. then all you have to do is build the docker instances . You can mantaint all that with git and handle all of your deployments that way.
- fabianlindfors 10y ago
  I've looked into Docker and I definitely like the isolation and simplicity it provides. The one thing keeping me away has been networking and file persistence, but I haven't really put in the effort necessary to wrap my head around it. Is there a simpler, more automated way to handle the networking when publishing a new containerized app?
mgberlin 10y ago
I would highly recommend using Elastic Beanstalk on AWS. I use the python platform most of the time, but PHP is available as well. If you're a new user, you can get a year on a t2.micro for free, and even if you have to pay that usually works out to about thirty-ish dollars a month which is probably tenable.
- fabianlindfors 10y ago
  Elastic Beanstalk seems to be a really convenient service. I tried it with the free tiers for a random side project a while back. Unfortunately I accidentally ran two applications which placed me outside of the free tier. Didn't notice until about a month later when the cost had added up. Quite disappointed by the confusing interface and complex billing, which I hope they'll improve.
emilburzo 10y ago
When resources are tight, I'm a big fan of having a bare metal server + lxc + ansible. I've also recently began looking into docker, but the update image dance seems like more work to me than the above.
saluki 10y ago
forge.laravel.com Even if you're not using Laravel(PHP) it works for quickly spinning up a vps on digital ocean or AWS. You can setup multiple dev/test sites on one droplet. Deploy repo via github bitbucket. It's super fast and easy. We setup live site on it's own droplet then have another staging droplet. Develop locally with valet/homestead (laravel.com), deploy to staging using forge, deploy to production using forge. Forge has quick deploy which deploys when you push to your repo. There is also https://envoyer.io/ https://envoyer.io/ for zero downtime deployment.
seanwilson 10y ago
Why not use Heroku for this? If it's a staging environment only for demos I can't see how you'd burn through much of your monthly free hours. Heroku makes setting up staging environment very easy.

penguinlinux 10y ago

you can use an instance that has docker on it, then setup docker compose files with wordpress, git , apache and setup a port. then on the machine setup virtualhost to point to the entry tcp port of the docker instance. then all you have to do is build the docker instances . You can mantaint all that with git and handle all of your deployments that way.

fabianlindfors 10y ago
I've looked into Docker and I definitely like the isolation and simplicity it provides. The one thing keeping me away has been networking and file persistence, but I haven't really put in the effort necessary to wrap my head around it. Is there a simpler, more automated way to handle the networking when publishing a new containerized app?

mgberlin 10y ago

I would highly recommend using Elastic Beanstalk on AWS. I use the python platform most of the time, but PHP is available as well. If you're a new user, you can get a year on a t2.micro for free, and even if you have to pay that usually works out to about thirty-ish dollars a month which is probably tenable.

fabianlindfors 10y ago
Elastic Beanstalk seems to be a really convenient service. I tried it with the free tiers for a random side project a while back. Unfortunately I accidentally ran two applications which placed me outside of the free tier. Didn't notice until about a month later when the cost had added up. Quite disappointed by the confusing interface and complex billing, which I hope they'll improve.

emilburzo 10y ago

When resources are tight, I'm a big fan of having a bare metal server + lxc + ansible. I've also recently began looking into docker, but the update image dance seems like more work to me than the above.

saluki 10y ago

forge.laravel.com Even if you're not using Laravel(PHP) it works for quickly spinning up a vps on digital ocean or AWS. You can setup multiple dev/test sites on one droplet. Deploy repo via github bitbucket. It's super fast and easy. We setup live site on it's own droplet then have another staging droplet. Develop locally with valet/homestead (laravel.com), deploy to staging using forge, deploy to production using forge. Forge has quick deploy which deploys when you push to your repo. There is also https://envoyer.io/ https://envoyer.io/ for zero downtime deployment.

seanwilson 10y ago

Why not use Heroku for this? If it's a staging environment only for demos I can't see how you'd burn through much of your monthly free hours. Heroku makes setting up staging environment very easy.