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The Orlando shooting was not a terrorist attack in the commonly used sense, as I assume you're referring to that. The fact that the homicide rate is lower than

by Cyph0n 10y ago

The Orlando shooting was not a terrorist attack in the commonly used sense, as I assume you're referring to that. The fact that the homicide rate is lower than it was doesn't mean it's at an acceptable level. Now I don't know whether or not gun control is the solution, but the issue needs to be discussed and not dismissed because with "because history".

brightball 10y ago
An easy way to start a discussion is with the words, "How could this have been prevented?" That has not happened.
whatok 10y ago
Assuming all the background on him is factual, it absolutely was a terrorist attack on the gay community. Don't know how you can spin that one.
- Cyph0n 10y ago
  I assume he was using the word "terrorist" as it has been used by the media over the years, not in the correct sense. Going with the latter, yes it was clearly a terrorist attack. Going by the former, it was not - the attack was basically homophobic in nature, perpetrated by a closet homosexual who frequented that same gay bar and had no contact whatsoever with the Muslim community.
  - ende 10y ago
    You have to be muslim to be a terrorist?
    - Cyph0n 10y ago
      Of course not, but I'm talking about the Orlando shooting which was initially thought to be perpetrated in the name of Islam. I'm a Muslim myself btw.
LyndsySimon 10y ago
> Orlando Police Dispatcher: Emergency 911, this is being recorded. > Omar Mateen: In the name of God the Merciful, the beneficent [said in Arabic] > OD: What? > OM: Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God [said in Arabic]. I wanna let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings. > OD: What’s your name? > OM: My name is I pledge of allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of the Islamic State. How is the above "not a terrorist attack in the commonly used sense"? He's using violence against civilians as a means of demanding political action.
- Cyph0n 10y ago
  He pledged allegiance to Al Nusra, Hezbollah, and IS; these three groups have been in constant conflict for the past several years. Sounds to me like he was doing it for the attention. I also heard that IS never actually acknowledged that he was one of their recruits. I know it's hard to swallow, but Muslims can commit heinous acts for completely personal reasons - a jealous closet gay in this case.
Nadya 10y ago
>The fact that the homicide rate is lower than it was doesn't mean it's at an acceptable level. Now I don't know whether or not gun control is the solution, but the issue needs to be discussed and not dismissed because with "because history". Banning guns has had next-to-zero influence on the overall homicide rate of the U.K or Australia post-handgun bans/buybacks. [0] [1] [2] People continue to kill other people using other methods. Homicides with firearms goes down, homicides in general remains more or less the same, with the same downward trend that has been happening in all developed nations since the early 2000's/late 1990's. IMO, America has a mental health problem. Nobody seeks help because help likely means loss of job/income which is disastrous for most everyone. I think there are other contributing factors (income inequality, mainstream/mass media fanning the flames for racial tensions, increasing distrust of the police) but none as large as mental health. [0] http://i.imgur.com/HZ15hNX.png http://i.imgur.com/HZ15hNX.png - Australia [1] http://i.imgur.com/VxQ0fUN.png http://i.imgur.com/VxQ0fUN.png - England/Wales [2] http://i.imgur.com/yabFAFf.png http://i.imgur.com/yabFAFf.png - U.K

by Cyph0n 10y ago

brightball 10y ago

An easy way to start a discussion is with the words, "How could this have been prevented?" That has not happened.

whatok 10y ago

Assuming all the background on him is factual, it absolutely was a terrorist attack on the gay community. Don't know how you can spin that one.

Cyph0n 10y ago
I assume he was using the word "terrorist" as it has been used by the media over the years, not in the correct sense. Going with the latter, yes it was clearly a terrorist attack. Going by the former, it was not - the attack was basically homophobic in nature, perpetrated by a closet homosexual who frequented that same gay bar and had no contact whatsoever with the Muslim community.
- ende 10y ago
  You have to be muslim to be a terrorist?
  - Cyph0n 10y ago
    Of course not, but I'm talking about the Orlando shooting which was initially thought to be perpetrated in the name of Islam. I'm a Muslim myself btw.

LyndsySimon 10y ago

> Orlando Police Dispatcher: Emergency 911, this is being recorded. > Omar Mateen: In the name of God the Merciful, the beneficent [said in Arabic] > OD: What? > OM: Praise be to God, and prayers as well as peace be upon the prophet of God [said in Arabic]. I wanna let you know, I’m in Orlando and I did the shootings. > OD: What’s your name? > OM: My name is I pledge of allegiance to Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi of the Islamic State. How is the above "not a terrorist attack in the commonly used sense"? He's using violence against civilians as a means of demanding political action.

Cyph0n 10y ago
He pledged allegiance to Al Nusra, Hezbollah, and IS; these three groups have been in constant conflict for the past several years. Sounds to me like he was doing it for the attention. I also heard that IS never actually acknowledged that he was one of their recruits. I know it's hard to swallow, but Muslims can commit heinous acts for completely personal reasons - a jealous closet gay in this case.

Nadya 10y ago

>The fact that the homicide rate is lower than it was doesn't mean it's at an acceptable level. Now I don't know whether or not gun control is the solution, but the issue needs to be discussed and not dismissed because with "because history". Banning guns has had next-to-zero influence on the overall homicide rate of the U.K or Australia post-handgun bans/buybacks. [0] [1] [2] People continue to kill other people using other methods. Homicides with firearms goes down, homicides in general remains more or less the same, with the same downward trend that has been happening in all developed nations since the early 2000's/late 1990's. IMO, America has a mental health problem. Nobody seeks help because help likely means loss of job/income which is disastrous for most everyone. I think there are other contributing factors (income inequality, mainstream/mass media fanning the flames for racial tensions, increasing distrust of the police) but none as large as mental health. [0] http://i.imgur.com/HZ15hNX.png http://i.imgur.com/HZ15hNX.png - Australia [1] http://i.imgur.com/VxQ0fUN.png http://i.imgur.com/VxQ0fUN.png - England/Wales [2] http://i.imgur.com/yabFAFf.png http://i.imgur.com/yabFAFf.png - U.K