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It doesn't say it's required. Relax, Swift was just open sourced in December so some of the books might still focus on Macs. Watch someone code and run Swift o

by abalone 10y ago

It doesn't say it's required. Relax, Swift was just open sourced in December so some of the books might still focus on Macs. Watch someone code and run Swift on Linux: https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2016/415/ https://developer.apple.com/videos/play/wwdc2016/415/

josteink 10y ago
Are you trolling me? Playing that video requires fucking Safari or a Apple WWDC app... http://imgur.com/BUrkMVc http://imgur.com/BUrkMVc This is Apple and regard for other platforms in a nutshell. And it sorts of kills any interest I may have had in Swift as well.
- vetinari 10y ago
  Relax, click on Resources tab under the video, there are links to HD and SD versions you can download. PDF slides are there too.
  - josteink 10y ago
    Nope. No links to video on non-Mac systems. PDFs only. Do I need to pay the apple-tax just to use their web-pages? That's basically a huge middle-finger to web standards. Absolutely useless crap, borderlining offensive. Apple is doing some pro-grade trolling here. Not even Microsoft is doing stuff like this anymore.
    - johncolanduoni 10y ago
      I just downloaded the video on Windows 10, in Edge no less. Click on the resources tab like he said. Not sure who's trolling here... edit: Oh wow, I didn't even notice but the video can stream in Edge! Doesn't do it in Chrome on OS X though XD
    - vetinari 10y ago
      Firefox running on Fedora: http://imgur.com/akxUq2Y http://imgur.com/akxUq2Y
      - josteink 10y ago
        I tried that page from Firefox on android. Wth would they remove the downloads? Anyway.. their web pages and developer resources are clearly disfunctional garbage, and their cross platform commitment almost non-existent. I think it's still fair to say swift won't displace java anytime soon.
        vetinari 10y ago
        They probably think that you are not going to download 1GB+ video on mobile. I don't know, you must ask them. Anyway, there is no conspiracy to deny the WWDC videos to non-Safari users or to piss them off. It's just how the Apple is, they have protocol they were pushing for a long time (HLS), they are certainly not going to use competitor (MMS or DASH). In Firefox on Android, check Request Desktop Site and you will get the download links. Or use Chrome for Android, it supports HLS streaming. Meanwhile, you can file bug to Firefox bugzilla and ask for HLS. I don't think Swift would replace Java anytime soon either. From JVM languages Kotlin has better chances, from non-JVM languages probably Go. (Sorry Rust fans, a typical enterprise programmer is not going to learn how to appease the borrow checker).
  - ones_and_zeros 10y ago
    I have links to download a >1GB video file on Debian/Chrome. That feels like a pretty big middle finger to web standards as far as I'm concerned. No thanks.
    - vetinari 10y ago
      Apple uses HLS, because that's their protocol, competitor to DASH (strictly speaking, neither one is a web standard, though DASH is an ISO standard). It does not work for Firefox or Chrome for OSX users either.

by abalone 10y ago

josteink 10y ago

Are you trolling me? Playing that video requires fucking Safari or a Apple WWDC app... http://imgur.com/BUrkMVc http://imgur.com/BUrkMVc This is Apple and regard for other platforms in a nutshell. And it sorts of kills any interest I may have had in Swift as well.

vetinari 10y ago
Relax, click on Resources tab under the video, there are links to HD and SD versions you can download. PDF slides are there too.
- josteink 10y ago
  Nope. No links to video on non-Mac systems. PDFs only. Do I need to pay the apple-tax just to use their web-pages? That's basically a huge middle-finger to web standards. Absolutely useless crap, borderlining offensive. Apple is doing some pro-grade trolling here. Not even Microsoft is doing stuff like this anymore.
  - johncolanduoni 10y ago
    I just downloaded the video on Windows 10, in Edge no less. Click on the resources tab like he said. Not sure who's trolling here... edit: Oh wow, I didn't even notice but the video can stream in Edge! Doesn't do it in Chrome on OS X though XD
  - vetinari 10y ago
    Firefox running on Fedora: http://imgur.com/akxUq2Y http://imgur.com/akxUq2Y
    - josteink 10y ago
      I tried that page from Firefox on android. Wth would they remove the downloads? Anyway.. their web pages and developer resources are clearly disfunctional garbage, and their cross platform commitment almost non-existent. I think it's still fair to say swift won't displace java anytime soon.
      - vetinari 10y ago
        They probably think that you are not going to download 1GB+ video on mobile. I don't know, you must ask them. Anyway, there is no conspiracy to deny the WWDC videos to non-Safari users or to piss them off. It's just how the Apple is, they have protocol they were pushing for a long time (HLS), they are certainly not going to use competitor (MMS or DASH). In Firefox on Android, check Request Desktop Site and you will get the download links. Or use Chrome for Android, it supports HLS streaming. Meanwhile, you can file bug to Firefox bugzilla and ask for HLS. I don't think Swift would replace Java anytime soon either. From JVM languages Kotlin has better chances, from non-JVM languages probably Go. (Sorry Rust fans, a typical enterprise programmer is not going to learn how to appease the borrow checker).
- ones_and_zeros 10y ago
  I have links to download a >1GB video file on Debian/Chrome. That feels like a pretty big middle finger to web standards as far as I'm concerned. No thanks.
  - vetinari 10y ago
    Apple uses HLS, because that's their protocol, competitor to DASH (strictly speaking, neither one is a web standard, though DASH is an ISO standard). It does not work for Firefox or Chrome for OSX users either.