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Thanks for your work guys. I took part in the survey when I found it on Reddit. Yesterday I started my first project in two new technologies, Rust and GTK. That

by akerro 10y ago

Thanks for your work guys. I took part in the survey when I found it on Reddit. Yesterday I started my first project in two new technologies, Rust and GTK. That's completely different experience and perspective of designing code after years of C++(Qt) and Java(backend). Now I wish I was earlier adopter :)

Manishearth 10y ago
Thank you! I'd love to hear more about your experience, though perhaps once you have worked a bit more on the project :) Eh, early adoption is overrated -- you have to fight through lack of docs, lack of libraries, and general ecosystem issues, all while the language keeps changing underneath you :P (Note that not everyone who works on Rust; or even who worked on this survey, is a guy)
- fiedzia 10y ago
  Note that many people use the term "guy" without relation to sex or even being a person.
  - Manishearth 10y ago
    I know. I'm not questioning the intention, I'm requesting the term not be used that way -- it is known to alienate people.
    - adrusi 10y ago
      Communication is a two-way street. A polite speaker has to take into consideration how their audience wants to be addressed, but polite listeners need to take into consideration that the speaker's words are the speaker's. My autistic brother will get very anxious when he anticipates a specific phrase in response to something but the person words it differently from how he expects, and he then insists that the person repeat the phrase with the "correct" version. The motivation is different from blind political-correctness, but the crime is the same. Words are symbolic of experience, and even though we all generally agree on what words mean, different people associate them with different experiences, so they essentially have reimplementation of the same word. Why should one person have to fully accomodate one person's implementation of "guy" while the other person just ignores what they know the first person means by that word?
    - weberc2 10y ago
      > it is known to alienate people I've not heard this before. Citation?
    - alienated 10y ago
      > it is known to alienate people. So is language policing. The Rust Code of Conduct [0] states: Don’t just aim to be technically unimpeachable, try to be your best self. In particular, avoid flirting with offensive or sensitive issues, particularly if they’re off-topic; this all too often leads to unnecessary fights, hurt feelings, and damaged trust; worse, it can drive people away from the community entirely. You've brought up something off-topic (and potentially sensitive) when there was no real need, and definitely no ill-intent in the original - and just like the code of conduct predicted, it's already starting to develop in to unnecessary bickering. This sort of language policing is exactly the type of thing that can drive people away from a community - and was not really necessary in the original context. As per the Rust Code of Conduct the correct response would have been: if someone takes issue with something you said or did, resist the urge to be defensive. Just stop doing what it was they complained about and apologize Now, before you go on to defend yourself, the CoC further states: Even if you feel you were misinterpreted or unfairly accused, chances are good there was something you could’ve communicated better And that's something worth considering. Now, I know that the Rust Code of Conduct states that it is only enforced on official Rust venues, and so there is no expectation of you following it here on HN, but as a respected member of the Rust community I would hope it was something you would still follow in a public forum, out of respect for what it stands for. [0] - https://www.rust-lang.org/conduct.html https://www.rust-lang.org/conduct.html
      - kbenson 10y ago
        You know, if you feel the need to make an account to post what amounts to a rules lawyering comment to what you perceive as a language police comment, perhaps you're taking the wrong approach. There are less blunt methods.
        alienated 10y ago
        You are right, and I apologize. It was done to belabor a point. Namely that for a community that aims to be welcoming, belaboring that point can actually make it less welcoming. It is taxing to participate in an environment where common language usage causes people to take offense where none is given or intended.
- akerro 10y ago
  > I'd love to hear more about your experience I had good experience integrating glade (GTK GUI generator) to Rust, but bad experience with getting auto-complete working in Eclipse, in fact it's still not working ;) It's a pain when I using new technologies (both Rust and GTK are new to me). I want to change its state from `checked` to `unchecked`, and I don't know what's name of the method that does it, it can be setState(bool) setChecked(bool), setEnabled(bool), setActive... you know what I mean, the method is there, but checking docs just to get method name is annoying. I'll try it in vim later today. My goal is to write (simple) desktop sharing application. Any thoughts how hard can it be? I need OS-integration, ffmpeg to catch screen, integration with decoding video stream without bloating systems...
  - Manishearth 10y ago
    > I'll try it in vim later today. I use YouCompleteMe with vim, which works for many editors as well as many languages. Though I recently switched to a mac and the sublime plugin is broken :/ > Any thoughts how hard can it be? I need OS-integration, ffmpeg to catch screen, integration with decoding video stream without bloating systems... Shouldn't be too hard. Rust certainly won't stand in your way, but I'm not aware of how hard some of these things may end up being :)

by akerro 10y ago

Manishearth 10y ago

Thank you! I'd love to hear more about your experience, though perhaps once you have worked a bit more on the project :) Eh, early adoption is overrated -- you have to fight through lack of docs, lack of libraries, and general ecosystem issues, all while the language keeps changing underneath you :P (Note that not everyone who works on Rust; or even who worked on this survey, is a guy)

fiedzia 10y ago
Note that many people use the term "guy" without relation to sex or even being a person.
- Manishearth 10y ago
  I know. I'm not questioning the intention, I'm requesting the term not be used that way -- it is known to alienate people.
  - adrusi 10y ago
    Communication is a two-way street. A polite speaker has to take into consideration how their audience wants to be addressed, but polite listeners need to take into consideration that the speaker's words are the speaker's. My autistic brother will get very anxious when he anticipates a specific phrase in response to something but the person words it differently from how he expects, and he then insists that the person repeat the phrase with the "correct" version. The motivation is different from blind political-correctness, but the crime is the same. Words are symbolic of experience, and even though we all generally agree on what words mean, different people associate them with different experiences, so they essentially have reimplementation of the same word. Why should one person have to fully accomodate one person's implementation of "guy" while the other person just ignores what they know the first person means by that word?
  - weberc2 10y ago
    > it is known to alienate people I've not heard this before. Citation?
  - alienated 10y ago
    > it is known to alienate people. So is language policing. The Rust Code of Conduct [0] states: Don’t just aim to be technically unimpeachable, try to be your best self. In particular, avoid flirting with offensive or sensitive issues, particularly if they’re off-topic; this all too often leads to unnecessary fights, hurt feelings, and damaged trust; worse, it can drive people away from the community entirely. You've brought up something off-topic (and potentially sensitive) when there was no real need, and definitely no ill-intent in the original - and just like the code of conduct predicted, it's already starting to develop in to unnecessary bickering. This sort of language policing is exactly the type of thing that can drive people away from a community - and was not really necessary in the original context. As per the Rust Code of Conduct the correct response would have been: if someone takes issue with something you said or did, resist the urge to be defensive. Just stop doing what it was they complained about and apologize Now, before you go on to defend yourself, the CoC further states: Even if you feel you were misinterpreted or unfairly accused, chances are good there was something you could’ve communicated better And that's something worth considering. Now, I know that the Rust Code of Conduct states that it is only enforced on official Rust venues, and so there is no expectation of you following it here on HN, but as a respected member of the Rust community I would hope it was something you would still follow in a public forum, out of respect for what it stands for. [0] - https://www.rust-lang.org/conduct.html https://www.rust-lang.org/conduct.html
    - kbenson 10y ago
      You know, if you feel the need to make an account to post what amounts to a rules lawyering comment to what you perceive as a language police comment, perhaps you're taking the wrong approach. There are less blunt methods.
      - alienated 10y ago
        You are right, and I apologize. It was done to belabor a point. Namely that for a community that aims to be welcoming, belaboring that point can actually make it less welcoming. It is taxing to participate in an environment where common language usage causes people to take offense where none is given or intended.
akerro 10y ago
> I'd love to hear more about your experience I had good experience integrating glade (GTK GUI generator) to Rust, but bad experience with getting auto-complete working in Eclipse, in fact it's still not working ;) It's a pain when I using new technologies (both Rust and GTK are new to me). I want to change its state from `checked` to `unchecked`, and I don't know what's name of the method that does it, it can be setState(bool) setChecked(bool), setEnabled(bool), setActive... you know what I mean, the method is there, but checking docs just to get method name is annoying. I'll try it in vim later today. My goal is to write (simple) desktop sharing application. Any thoughts how hard can it be? I need OS-integration, ffmpeg to catch screen, integration with decoding video stream without bloating systems...
- Manishearth 10y ago
  > I'll try it in vim later today. I use YouCompleteMe with vim, which works for many editors as well as many languages. Though I recently switched to a mac and the sublime plugin is broken :/ > Any thoughts how hard can it be? I need OS-integration, ffmpeg to catch screen, integration with decoding video stream without bloating systems... Shouldn't be too hard. Rust certainly won't stand in your way, but I'm not aware of how hard some of these things may end up being :)