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That's not entirely correct. Webpass has been using glass provided by other companies for years, that's how they get the redundancy in the mesh. In 10 months t

That's not entirely correct. Webpass has been using glass provided by other companies for years, that's how they get the redundancy in the mesh. In 10 months they've been laying down their own glass trunk lines along a VERY small corridor. Last year was ~15 blocks of Howard St. This year was supposed to be Bryant St. So if you were in SOMA you had a decent chance. Google has already stated they were going to use some other providers glass along with deploying their own in the city. This seems like a really good way to jump start things for GF in SF.

gkop 10y ago
(I'm not an industry expert) Prior to 10 months ago, were there any Webpass end users without the fixed wireless hop to fiber? What exactly does Webpass mean when they distinguish between their fixed wireless product and their fiber product? I'm not concerned with who owns the fiber, I would just prefer not to have wireless involved because of weather and oversubscription.
- ShakataGaNai 10y ago
  "were there end users on fiber?" Yes. Not many but yes. A large amount of their wireless backhauls terminated at data centers in SF, but some also "terminated" at buildings. These locations you could use webpass and basically be on fiber direct - though that wasn't the purpose. It was mostly so that they didn't have to backhaul connects ALL the way across the city and should a DC or major link go offline, it could reroute. Yay mesh networking. The difference between that and fiber is who owned the glass. All of what I mentioned above, to my knowledge, is glass leased from other companies (Ex: AT&T). Their fiber product is glass they dug up the street and laid themselves - directly from the DC. If you look at the fiber maps in SF ( https://webpass.net/fiber https://webpass.net/fiber ) they all start at 365 Main ( http://365datacenters.com/ http://365datacenters.com/ ). As a webpass customer, I have to say that weather and oversub have not been an issue for me for the last 3 years. For example this winter there was only 2 days where it rained hard enough (when it was REALLY coming down) to notice latency. In both cases it was for ~10mn and I only noticed because I was on SSH connections. Any muggle's netflix connection wouldn't even flinch.

gkop 10y ago

(I'm not an industry expert) Prior to 10 months ago, were there any Webpass end users without the fixed wireless hop to fiber? What exactly does Webpass mean when they distinguish between their fixed wireless product and their fiber product? I'm not concerned with who owns the fiber, I would just prefer not to have wireless involved because of weather and oversubscription.

ShakataGaNai 10y ago
"were there end users on fiber?" Yes. Not many but yes. A large amount of their wireless backhauls terminated at data centers in SF, but some also "terminated" at buildings. These locations you could use webpass and basically be on fiber direct - though that wasn't the purpose. It was mostly so that they didn't have to backhaul connects ALL the way across the city and should a DC or major link go offline, it could reroute. Yay mesh networking. The difference between that and fiber is who owned the glass. All of what I mentioned above, to my knowledge, is glass leased from other companies (Ex: AT&T). Their fiber product is glass they dug up the street and laid themselves - directly from the DC. If you look at the fiber maps in SF ( https://webpass.net/fiber https://webpass.net/fiber ) they all start at 365 Main ( http://365datacenters.com/ http://365datacenters.com/ ). As a webpass customer, I have to say that weather and oversub have not been an issue for me for the last 3 years. For example this winter there was only 2 days where it rained hard enough (when it was REALLY coming down) to notice latency. In both cases it was for ~10mn and I only noticed because I was on SSH connections. Any muggle's netflix connection wouldn't even flinch.