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> I don't think any Democrat would love this, having Sanders be nominated because HRC went to prison would probably make him considerably less electable than he

> I don't think any Democrat would love this, having Sanders be nominated because HRC went to prison would probably make him considerably less electable than he ever was. My twitter timeline would disagree, and frankly I don't think it would really hurt Senator Sanders. It might help in the I'm an honest man category. His main worry is his wife at that point. Trump is a very different situation. Its Jesse Ventura writ larger, and the polling wasn't very effective at showing his voting. I'm not convinced an HRC indictment guarantees a victory. Do remember its pretty much the party elite that wants him out (well, and a lot of died in the wool conservatives who aren't happy with the party elite either). To show how messed up this election is: a recycled Libertarian is polling at 9%. That's not normal at all.

dogma1138 10y ago
It doesn't hurt sanders specifically it will hurt any nominee that the DNC would have to put in her place. There are a lot of undecided in this election still, being the party that had to replace their front runner due to legal trouble won't pan out well in the general election it would be the easiest thing to attack. "Crooked hillary go indicted how long until X gets in trouble too?"
- protomyth 10y ago
  I would assume Senator Sanders would be the nominee, but I could be wrong. I think he is about the only one left with a legitimate claim. I really don't think any of the HRC stuff will settle home him. There are other, much better, avenues of attack and frankly no one would believe an attack campaign on him that compares him to HRC.
  - dragonwriter 10y ago
    Not that its likely, but if some news story broke that made Clinton unacceptable (particularly, to the Democratic superdelegates), then Sanders is the only candidate that (presuming discipline from the pledged delegates, though IIRC there is legal precedent that even "pledged" delegates aren't actually bound that there are plans to exploit on the Republican side) mathematically could be elected simply by superdelegate switching on the first ballot while pledged delegates vote as pledged. Which party leaders might prefer to minimize chaos and apparent disorder. OTOH, if there is no first-ballot majority, all bets are off.
    - dogma1138 10y ago
      Yeah I'm not looking at delegate votes at this point I'm talking about the general election. Having to fight for the public vote with a scandal of the front runner nominee before you being indicted isn't an easy task.
      - protomyth 10y ago
        Oh, ok. Yeah, and indictment of the candidate after the convention would be horrific on so many levels. That would be game over, and frankly all the money that would go to the candidate would switch to the Senate and House races just to keep the down ticket from taking a huge hit. I really couldn't see that happening. If, and I really mean if, an indictment happens, it will be before the convention.

dogma1138 10y ago

It doesn't hurt sanders specifically it will hurt any nominee that the DNC would have to put in her place. There are a lot of undecided in this election still, being the party that had to replace their front runner due to legal trouble won't pan out well in the general election it would be the easiest thing to attack. "Crooked hillary go indicted how long until X gets in trouble too?"

protomyth 10y ago
I would assume Senator Sanders would be the nominee, but I could be wrong. I think he is about the only one left with a legitimate claim. I really don't think any of the HRC stuff will settle home him. There are other, much better, avenues of attack and frankly no one would believe an attack campaign on him that compares him to HRC.
- dragonwriter 10y ago
  Not that its likely, but if some news story broke that made Clinton unacceptable (particularly, to the Democratic superdelegates), then Sanders is the only candidate that (presuming discipline from the pledged delegates, though IIRC there is legal precedent that even "pledged" delegates aren't actually bound that there are plans to exploit on the Republican side) mathematically could be elected simply by superdelegate switching on the first ballot while pledged delegates vote as pledged. Which party leaders might prefer to minimize chaos and apparent disorder. OTOH, if there is no first-ballot majority, all bets are off.
  - dogma1138 10y ago
    Yeah I'm not looking at delegate votes at this point I'm talking about the general election. Having to fight for the public vote with a scandal of the front runner nominee before you being indicted isn't an easy task.
    - protomyth 10y ago
      Oh, ok. Yeah, and indictment of the candidate after the convention would be horrific on so many levels. That would be game over, and frankly all the money that would go to the candidate would switch to the Senate and House races just to keep the down ticket from taking a huge hit. I really couldn't see that happening. If, and I really mean if, an indictment happens, it will be before the convention.