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Anyone who has taken a German car in for maintenance also knows we're quite capable of engineering ourselves into a problem as well. That said, it's nice kit w

by fleitz 10y ago

Anyone who has taken a German car in for maintenance also knows we're quite capable of engineering ourselves into a problem as well. That said, it's nice kit when it's well-maintained and regularly serviced.

DasIch 10y ago
In Germany by law every car needs to inspected every two years by the TÜV. Cars are highly regulated in terms of what modifications you may perform on them and anything even slightly significant requires approval. If you want to sell a car at decent value or you're leasing it, you're practically required to also perform the inspections offered by manufacturers. When well-maintained and regularly serviced is the norm, it's inevitably going to influence your design.
- dsfyu404ed 10y ago
  Is that why single engine airplanes are so complicated? \s
- Oletros 10y ago
  > In Germany by law every car needs to inspected every two years by the TÜV. Cars are highly regulated in terms of what modifications you may perform on them and anything even slightly significant requires approval. Is this a German thing or an EU thing? Because in Spain you have to pass the ITV every to years until the car has 10 years and then, every year. And almost any modification has to pass that inspection
  - DasIch 10y ago
    The German regulation has existed for a long time, I doubt that's due to the EU. However you want to be able to sell and drive a everywhere in the EU. It only makes sense to deal with this on a EU level to harmonize existing regulation and force members lacking such regulations to implement it. If that hasn't happened already (which I find hard to believe), it will.
  - mtmail 10y ago
    Every(?) European country has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection of some kind. Turkey adopted the German system last year. I wouldn't be surprised if the EU standardises the regulations at some point in the future.
- fleitz 10y ago
  That's part of it, but it doesn't quite explain the front suspension on a BMW bike. No one else makes a suspension so complicated, however, no one else has a bike that doesn't dive under braking. The engineers knew it was possible and pulled out every stop to deliver it. It's a cultural thing, when we see a problem it must be fixed no matter how much complexity. It's like when I'm making an app and there's a 5 fps drop when the a new table view cell is rendered, everyone I show can barely notice it, but I see it, and it bothers me until it's fixed. 60 FPS or GTFO.
  - toomuchtodo 10y ago
    > It's a cultural thing, when we see a problem it must be fixed no matter how much complexity. > but I see it, and it bothers me until it's fixed. This is where my love of Germany comes from.
    - davrosthedalek 10y ago
      Until you realize that we are so good at it that we then engineer problems for you/us to solve....

by fleitz 10y ago

DasIch 10y ago

In Germany by law every car needs to inspected every two years by the TÜV. Cars are highly regulated in terms of what modifications you may perform on them and anything even slightly significant requires approval. If you want to sell a car at decent value or you're leasing it, you're practically required to also perform the inspections offered by manufacturers. When well-maintained and regularly serviced is the norm, it's inevitably going to influence your design.

dsfyu404ed 10y ago
Is that why single engine airplanes are so complicated? \s
Oletros 10y ago
> In Germany by law every car needs to inspected every two years by the TÜV. Cars are highly regulated in terms of what modifications you may perform on them and anything even slightly significant requires approval. Is this a German thing or an EU thing? Because in Spain you have to pass the ITV every to years until the car has 10 years and then, every year. And almost any modification has to pass that inspection
- DasIch 10y ago
  The German regulation has existed for a long time, I doubt that's due to the EU. However you want to be able to sell and drive a everywhere in the EU. It only makes sense to deal with this on a EU level to harmonize existing regulation and force members lacking such regulations to implement it. If that hasn't happened already (which I find hard to believe), it will.
- mtmail 10y ago
  Every(?) European country has https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection of some kind. Turkey adopted the German system last year. I wouldn't be surprised if the EU standardises the regulations at some point in the future.
fleitz 10y ago
That's part of it, but it doesn't quite explain the front suspension on a BMW bike. No one else makes a suspension so complicated, however, no one else has a bike that doesn't dive under braking. The engineers knew it was possible and pulled out every stop to deliver it. It's a cultural thing, when we see a problem it must be fixed no matter how much complexity. It's like when I'm making an app and there's a 5 fps drop when the a new table view cell is rendered, everyone I show can barely notice it, but I see it, and it bothers me until it's fixed. 60 FPS or GTFO.
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  > It's a cultural thing, when we see a problem it must be fixed no matter how much complexity. > but I see it, and it bothers me until it's fixed. This is where my love of Germany comes from.
  - davrosthedalek 10y ago
    Until you realize that we are so good at it that we then engineer problems for you/us to solve....