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I'd argue that these guys are actually supplying. Just firewall it out to a specific network segment for these devices, have one box that interacts with it and

I'd argue that these guys are actually supplying. Just firewall it out to a specific network segment for these devices, have one box that interacts with it and modify it to your own liking, you have root on it afterall. They're dirt cheap, they work, and you get root so it's completely upgradable and hackable. Can't beat that really if you have decent security practices outside of the device. It's definitely an investment in terms of time to beat it into shape, but it sounds like a fun weekend project to me.

CaptSpify 10y ago
heh, that's actually what I kind of do now with a couple of devices. Then I ban that vlan from the internet. I'm speaking more in general though: Too many IoT devices require cloud access to work properly. I don't want to put a hacky solution together, I'd rather things would out of the box. I don't like the idea of having to be defensive against my own equipment.
- TeMPOraL 10y ago
  That's the part of the business model. IoT isn't about giving you some value - it's an extension of SaaS, but with the twist that it has to convince you to give service provider some value that they can then sell back to you. Personally, I consider most of IoT products to be a waste of resources used to create them. It's a blatant promotion of shitty engineering in an attempt to get some money out of people.