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For context, in 2013 Germany was producing around 50,000 barrels per day. [1] Germany is a huge net importer and a very minor producer. The US state of Wyomin

For context, in 2013 Germany was producing around 50,000 barrels per day. [1] Germany is a huge net importer and a very minor producer. The US state of Wyoming produces more than 200,000 barrels per day. [2] The US as a whole produces more than 7,400,000 barrels per day. [3] [1] http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=de&product=oil&graph=production http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=de&product=oil... [2] https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=MCRFPWY2&f=M https://www.eia.gov/dnav/pet/hist/LeafHandler.ashx?n=PET&s=M... [3] http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=us&product=oil&graph=production http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=us&product=oil...

toomuchtodo 10y ago
> The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) includes biofuels in consumption of petroleum products. In 2015, the United States consumed a total of 7.08 billion barrels of petroleum products, an average of about 19.4 million barrels per day https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=33&t=6 https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=33&t=6 Germany consumes 2.403 million barrels per day. http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=de&product=oil&graph=consumption http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=de&product=oil... Germany has also created a 1 billion Euro subsidy program for electric cars: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/28/germany-subsidy-boost-electric-car-sales https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/28/germany-subsid... # Removed information about Germany EV mandate # It is not a matter of technology, it is a matter of will.
- Reason077 10y ago
  Germany does not yet have any electric car mandate - the 2030 thing was misreported. Norway, where more than 25% of new vehicles are already electric (and the electricity grid is 100% renewable) is likely to be the first country to achieve a ban on new combustion vehicles. Germany does have impressive carbon reduction goals, and will need to switch a large portion of their vehicle fleet to zero-emission in order to achieve them.
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ck2 10y ago
If they are a huge importer that means this move is even more dramatic because it says they won't do stupid things just to try to save a few dollars. But also, aren't they huge on solar even though they get a fraction of the sun that the USA does?
- toomuchtodo 10y ago
  > But also, aren't they huge on solar even though they get a fraction of the sun that the USA does? Yes. Still have to move cars, heating, and plastics to alternatives.
- fatihpense 10y ago
  As far as I know they are investing in other countries for solar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertec
- travisp 10y ago
  > But also, aren't they huge on solar even though they get a fraction of the sun that the USA does? They've put a ton of money into solar and wind, but these are extremely variable and there are days of the year that solar and wind produce practically 0% of Germany's energy, and usage keeps growing.
  - cygx 10y ago
    these are extremely variable and there are days of the year that solar and wind produce practically 0% of Germany's energy Note that it tends to be more windy when it's less sunny, so the monthly variability of solar and wind energy production combined yields a factor of less than two. You're right than on a daily basis, there likely will be issues, but I don't know the statistics off-hand (besides the news stories that electricity tariffs can go negative on sunny days).
    - travisp 10y ago
      This was 2014, so it may be different in 2015, but is a reasonable benchmark: https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/downloads-englisch/pdf-files-englisch/data-nivc-/electricity-production-from-solar-and-wind-in-germany-2014.pdf https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/downloads-englisch/pdf-file... You can see that during 2014 the minimal combined solar and wind production for a day was just 0.022 TWh (just 4% of maximum combined wind and solar). While generally it was around 0.2TWh, the risk of dropping to almost no production means that Germany still can't really rely on wind and solar and still has to significantly rely on coal and gas (especially gas, since it is most flexible).
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toomuchtodo 10y ago

> The U.S. Energy Information Administration (EIA) includes biofuels in consumption of petroleum products. In 2015, the United States consumed a total of 7.08 billion barrels of petroleum products, an average of about 19.4 million barrels per day https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=33&t=6 https://www.eia.gov/tools/faqs/faq.cfm?id=33&t=6 Germany consumes 2.403 million barrels per day. http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=de&product=oil&graph=consumption http://www.indexmundi.com/energy.aspx?country=de&product=oil... Germany has also created a 1 billion Euro subsidy program for electric cars: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/28/germany-subsidy-boost-electric-car-sales https://www.theguardian.com/world/2016/apr/28/germany-subsid... # Removed information about Germany EV mandate # It is not a matter of technology, it is a matter of will.

Reason077 10y ago
Germany does not yet have any electric car mandate - the 2030 thing was misreported. Norway, where more than 25% of new vehicles are already electric (and the electricity grid is 100% renewable) is likely to be the first country to achieve a ban on new combustion vehicles. Germany does have impressive carbon reduction goals, and will need to switch a large portion of their vehicle fleet to zero-emission in order to achieve them.
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ck2 10y ago

If they are a huge importer that means this move is even more dramatic because it says they won't do stupid things just to try to save a few dollars. But also, aren't they huge on solar even though they get a fraction of the sun that the USA does?

toomuchtodo 10y ago
> But also, aren't they huge on solar even though they get a fraction of the sun that the USA does? Yes. Still have to move cars, heating, and plastics to alternatives.
fatihpense 10y ago
As far as I know they are investing in other countries for solar. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertec https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desertec
travisp 10y ago
> But also, aren't they huge on solar even though they get a fraction of the sun that the USA does? They've put a ton of money into solar and wind, but these are extremely variable and there are days of the year that solar and wind produce practically 0% of Germany's energy, and usage keeps growing.
- cygx 10y ago
  these are extremely variable and there are days of the year that solar and wind produce practically 0% of Germany's energy Note that it tends to be more windy when it's less sunny, so the monthly variability of solar and wind energy production combined yields a factor of less than two. You're right than on a daily basis, there likely will be issues, but I don't know the statistics off-hand (besides the news stories that electricity tariffs can go negative on sunny days).
  - travisp 10y ago
    This was 2014, so it may be different in 2015, but is a reasonable benchmark: https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/downloads-englisch/pdf-files-englisch/data-nivc-/electricity-production-from-solar-and-wind-in-germany-2014.pdf https://www.ise.fraunhofer.de/en/downloads-englisch/pdf-file... You can see that during 2014 the minimal combined solar and wind production for a day was just 0.022 TWh (just 4% of maximum combined wind and solar). While generally it was around 0.2TWh, the risk of dropping to almost no production means that Germany still can't really rely on wind and solar and still has to significantly rely on coal and gas (especially gas, since it is most flexible).

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