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One of the reasons would be that it isn't used that often and won't allow access to your network with commodity hardware.

by gnur 10y ago

EarthIsHome 10y ago
Isn't this idea hiding the problem though? While using uncommon hardware and protocols may thwart certain users, it's really not solving the problem of security. It's somewhat similar to the idea of using a hidden wireless network and calling that security instead of securing your network with WPA2, etc. As these devices become more popular, we'll start seeing more Zigbees and Z-wave devices become commodity hardware.
- Dayshine 10y ago
  Not at all, anyone can "join" the network, but nobody can decrypt the traffic without the key. Zigbee has built-in, easy, encryption. You simply set your router to allow unsecured joins temporarily whenever you get a new device, which then learns the key. When the network is set to allow only secure joins only devices pre-configured with the key can see anything other than encrypted frames.
garduque 10y ago
I've installed tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of Zigbee devices over the last handful of years. Zigbee may be uncommon in residential, but it is not uncommon.
- steve-howard 10y ago
  Compared with wifi, though? Trying to screw with your wifi equipment requires just about any laptop sold in the last ten years. Trying to screw with your Zigbee equipment would presumably require me to go find some kind of dongle. Of course, wifi has gotten more secure over time to the point that I'd be more concerned about giving the devices internet access than I would about intruders on the network.
  - garduque 10y ago
    Sure, in the world there are probably more wifi devices, and I'll agree that wifi adapters are as mainstream as it gets. But just because the hardware to mess with Zigbee stuff isn't consumer mainstream doesn't mean the devices don't exist and aren't "used that much," as the comment OP incorrectly claimed. In just one highrise project I did in Las Vegas last year we installed something like 65,000 Zigbee devices, and that's not atypical for highrise hotel construction. Zigbee is everywhere in building automation.

One of the reasons would be that it isn't used that often and won't allow access to your network with commodity hardware.

by gnur 10y ago

One of the reasons would be that it isn't used that often and won't allow access to your network with commodity hardware.

EarthIsHome 10y ago

Isn't this idea hiding the problem though? While using uncommon hardware and protocols may thwart certain users, it's really not solving the problem of security. It's somewhat similar to the idea of using a hidden wireless network and calling that security instead of securing your network with WPA2, etc. As these devices become more popular, we'll start seeing more Zigbees and Z-wave devices become commodity hardware.

Dayshine 10y ago
Not at all, anyone can "join" the network, but nobody can decrypt the traffic without the key. Zigbee has built-in, easy, encryption. You simply set your router to allow unsecured joins temporarily whenever you get a new device, which then learns the key. When the network is set to allow only secure joins only devices pre-configured with the key can see anything other than encrypted frames.

garduque 10y ago

I've installed tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of Zigbee devices over the last handful of years. Zigbee may be uncommon in residential, but it is not uncommon.

steve-howard 10y ago
Compared with wifi, though? Trying to screw with your wifi equipment requires just about any laptop sold in the last ten years. Trying to screw with your Zigbee equipment would presumably require me to go find some kind of dongle. Of course, wifi has gotten more secure over time to the point that I'd be more concerned about giving the devices internet access than I would about intruders on the network.
- garduque 10y ago
  Sure, in the world there are probably more wifi devices, and I'll agree that wifi adapters are as mainstream as it gets. But just because the hardware to mess with Zigbee stuff isn't consumer mainstream doesn't mean the devices don't exist and aren't "used that much," as the comment OP incorrectly claimed. In just one highrise project I did in Las Vegas last year we installed something like 65,000 Zigbee devices, and that's not atypical for highrise hotel construction. Zigbee is everywhere in building automation.