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It's terrifying that Clinton might get into the Whitehouse. I mean... are there really THAT many stupid voters? Trump... faaaaaar from perfect. But the reason

It's terrifying that Clinton might get into the Whitehouse. I mean... are there really THAT many stupid voters? Trump... faaaaaar from perfect. But the reason he's made it as far as he has? Because people are sick of career politicians (Jeb, Marco, Cruz, etc) who make promises then proceed to fuck the voters. Hillary is the worst of the worst examples of Corrupt Rich White Bought-And-Paid-For Politicians.

vertex-four 10y ago
Trump is, as far as I'm aware, just as bought and paid for. He's just also not a career politician, but that doesn't mean he's not figured out how things get done at that level. Although best case scenario, all the career politicians decide they don't like an outsider and prevent him from doing anything he wants.
- samdoidge 10y ago
  Hillary donations from corporations dwarf that of Trump. Trump does also not have JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, etc as donors. [1] https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N000...
  - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
    Trump funds himself, so that comparison is disengenuous
    - samdoidge 10y ago
      My comment was primarily in response to: Trump is, as far as I'm aware, just as bought and paid for.
      - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
        Fair. But being one of those we fear are doing the buying and selling, I'm not so sure its any consolation.
  - jonlucc 10y ago
    Trump is the special interest. People seem to have this notion that Trump won't do stuff that only benefits the rich because no one paid him to. Instead, he is taking out the middle man. In other words, electing one of the Koch brothers doesn't mean the office isn't biased toward the Oil industry, just that it's cheaper for the Koch brothers.
dragonwriter 10y ago
> But the reason he's made it as far as he has? Because the Republican nominating system's non-proportional allocation of delegates, combined with the schedule of Republican primaries and caucuses, is designed to very strongly favor the candidate with an advantage in early name recognition especially if they can effectively appeal to a particular demographic that the Republicans have been focusing on as a key element of their coalition since Nixon's southern strategy, especially in a crowded field since the system is designed to create artificial delegate majorities from small electoral pluralities. (This is engineered as a way to shorten the competitive period of primary contests by making a candidate's victory nearly inevitable very early in the process without them needing to secure anything like majority support even within the primary electorate, allowing the party to move quickly on to focus on the general election.)
- wernercd 10y ago
  Don't get me wrong... I don't agree with the systems in place. Winner takes all? Super delegates? Two party system? All have parts ripe for abuse... Trump and Bern should, by all reasonable definitions, be on "other" platforms. Trump is, if anything, independent... Bern is much further left than the normal "Democrat"... But anything outside of these two "buckets" has no chance. 90% of people don't fall fully into either of these buckets. These buckets drive "us vs them" partisanship that's only gotten worse and worse in recent years. Don't agree with the GOP 100%? RHINO (Commie! Socialist! etc)! Don't follow DNC? DINO (and Racist/Bigot/Islamaphobe/etc) I'm not sure how exactly I would change it... but there needs to be more than two parties. I sure as shit know I don't fall fully into either camp although I'm definitely more right than left.
protomyth 10y ago
Its the Jesse Ventura[1] effect writ larger. I think some folks should start looking at the 1998 MN gubernatorial election. Polling before the election suggested he would lose, but that didn't happen. 1) not a supporter - people who sue widows are pretty much on my not nice list

vertex-four 10y ago

Trump is, as far as I'm aware, just as bought and paid for. He's just also not a career politician, but that doesn't mean he's not figured out how things get done at that level. Although best case scenario, all the career politicians decide they don't like an outsider and prevent him from doing anything he wants.

samdoidge 10y ago
Hillary donations from corporations dwarf that of Trump. Trump does also not have JP Morgan, Goldman Sachs, etc as donors. [1] https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N00000019&cycle=Career https://www.opensecrets.org/politicians/contrib.php?cid=N000...
- JoeAltmaier 10y ago
  Trump funds himself, so that comparison is disengenuous
  - samdoidge 10y ago
    My comment was primarily in response to: Trump is, as far as I'm aware, just as bought and paid for.
    - JoeAltmaier 10y ago
      Fair. But being one of those we fear are doing the buying and selling, I'm not so sure its any consolation.
- jonlucc 10y ago
  Trump is the special interest. People seem to have this notion that Trump won't do stuff that only benefits the rich because no one paid him to. Instead, he is taking out the middle man. In other words, electing one of the Koch brothers doesn't mean the office isn't biased toward the Oil industry, just that it's cheaper for the Koch brothers.

dragonwriter 10y ago

> But the reason he's made it as far as he has? Because the Republican nominating system's non-proportional allocation of delegates, combined with the schedule of Republican primaries and caucuses, is designed to very strongly favor the candidate with an advantage in early name recognition especially if they can effectively appeal to a particular demographic that the Republicans have been focusing on as a key element of their coalition since Nixon's southern strategy, especially in a crowded field since the system is designed to create artificial delegate majorities from small electoral pluralities. (This is engineered as a way to shorten the competitive period of primary contests by making a candidate's victory nearly inevitable very early in the process without them needing to secure anything like majority support even within the primary electorate, allowing the party to move quickly on to focus on the general election.)

wernercd 10y ago
Don't get me wrong... I don't agree with the systems in place. Winner takes all? Super delegates? Two party system? All have parts ripe for abuse... Trump and Bern should, by all reasonable definitions, be on "other" platforms. Trump is, if anything, independent... Bern is much further left than the normal "Democrat"... But anything outside of these two "buckets" has no chance. 90% of people don't fall fully into either of these buckets. These buckets drive "us vs them" partisanship that's only gotten worse and worse in recent years. Don't agree with the GOP 100%? RHINO (Commie! Socialist! etc)! Don't follow DNC? DINO (and Racist/Bigot/Islamaphobe/etc) I'm not sure how exactly I would change it... but there needs to be more than two parties. I sure as shit know I don't fall fully into either camp although I'm definitely more right than left.

protomyth 10y ago

Its the Jesse Ventura[1] effect writ larger. I think some folks should start looking at the 1998 MN gubernatorial election. Polling before the election suggested he would lose, but that didn't happen. 1) not a supporter - people who sue widows are pretty much on my not nice list