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Sorry, but is it the EUs fault that UK businesses tend to hire cheaper European labor? Does the EU tell you that you have to hire the Romanian guy instead of th

Sorry, but is it the EUs fault that UK businesses tend to hire cheaper European labor? Does the EU tell you that you have to hire the Romanian guy instead of the British? Is there a law enforced by the EU to do so? And people forget that cheap labor creates lower prices on the market. Are you willing to pay more even double the price for a commodity just because it was made by non-immigrants? Not to mention, that most immigrants aren't staying for long term. They go do the work, generate GDP and after a few years they go back to friends and family. Very few have the intentions to stay. Is it the EUs fault that British stores and businesses buy the goods from low cost EU countries? If you would have a grocery store, would you buy and sell food that was produced in Britain, but comes with a much higher cost, or would you get it from somewhere else cheaper and get it without the costs of shipping from country to the other because of the free trade? The EU helps everyone, but it's not their fault if businesses use these to their advantage. Hate the player and not the game, as they say.

threeseed 10y ago
I always think that bringing up the price of goods argument is not always the best approach when talking about immigrant labour. The fact is that in most Western countries (a) the workforce is ageing rapidly, (b) birth rates are low and dropping and (c) young people simply don't want cheap, low skilled jobs. So people just need to understand that without immigrant labour people aren't going to be able to rely on the quality of the life in the future. More specifically their pension, social security and decent hospitals.
- MrLeftHand 10y ago
  You're right, but this is one part of the equitation. The cheap labor will give you a lower price at the end. If it wouldn't then you wouldn't see the 'made in China' text on literally everything. There was a massive debate about immigrants picking British strawberries. And a lot of the people were going crazy why the farmers don't employ British workers and that EU can go and fuck itself. It's fine and all, but they forget a lot of things. It's not the EU who told the farmer to get cheap immigrant labor. The farmer saves lots of money because of the cheap labor. This keeps the price down of the strawberries when you go buy a pack in a store. The work is seasonal, so it's not a permanent job and keeps the people occupied only for a couple of weeks. Some people get a fit when they see a small pack of British strawberries for 2 pounds. Imagine how enraged they would be to have the same amount for 4. These people, who always blame someone else then their own people (for instance why aren't you blaming the British farmer, business, whatever) would be the first ones crying why are the things more expensive now?! The whole economy is like nature, you take out one small part and everything changes. In brexit I see the typical 'The True Scotsman Fallacy'. or should we call it the 'True British Fallacy' now? We are great and everybody is crap and it's always someone else's fault not ours.

threeseed 10y ago

I always think that bringing up the price of goods argument is not always the best approach when talking about immigrant labour. The fact is that in most Western countries (a) the workforce is ageing rapidly, (b) birth rates are low and dropping and (c) young people simply don't want cheap, low skilled jobs. So people just need to understand that without immigrant labour people aren't going to be able to rely on the quality of the life in the future. More specifically their pension, social security and decent hospitals.

MrLeftHand 10y ago
You're right, but this is one part of the equitation. The cheap labor will give you a lower price at the end. If it wouldn't then you wouldn't see the 'made in China' text on literally everything. There was a massive debate about immigrants picking British strawberries. And a lot of the people were going crazy why the farmers don't employ British workers and that EU can go and fuck itself. It's fine and all, but they forget a lot of things. It's not the EU who told the farmer to get cheap immigrant labor. The farmer saves lots of money because of the cheap labor. This keeps the price down of the strawberries when you go buy a pack in a store. The work is seasonal, so it's not a permanent job and keeps the people occupied only for a couple of weeks. Some people get a fit when they see a small pack of British strawberries for 2 pounds. Imagine how enraged they would be to have the same amount for 4. These people, who always blame someone else then their own people (for instance why aren't you blaming the British farmer, business, whatever) would be the first ones crying why are the things more expensive now?! The whole economy is like nature, you take out one small part and everything changes. In brexit I see the typical 'The True Scotsman Fallacy'. or should we call it the 'True British Fallacy' now? We are great and everybody is crap and it's always someone else's fault not ours.