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The barrier for entry for an alien invasion does exist, though it is currently undefined, since we don't know what it is. The reason I say that is there are at

The barrier for entry for an alien invasion does exist, though it is currently undefined, since we don't know what it is. The reason I say that is there are at least 1 bloodthirsty species running around this galaxy (and many more if you consider the statistical possibility of life on other planets) It is important to define it that way, not that it is impossible, just that it is unknown how much time is needed before an alien invasion. The reason I am framing things this way is we need to be very careful here because we are starting to turn towards speculation.

FeepingCreature 10y ago
You know, you mean for that to sound implausible, but the Great Filter is in fact an open research problem.
- argonaut 10y ago
  I'm pointing out that this is all speculative and dangerously close to science-fiction.
  - pixl97 10y ago
    You should learn the difference between what is impossible and what just has not happened yet. Much science-fiction that was in the realm of possibility is now science-reality. One should not need reminded they are communicating at the speed of light over a global communications network capable of reaching billions of people at a time. I'm sure at one point in the past that was science-fiction, now reality. I don't believe you can show me any science that points out why AI/AGI/ASI can be created, we simply are not at that level of sophistication.
    - argonaut 10y ago
      Your argument is basically "some science-fiction has sometimes turned out to be true." That doesn't counter the fact that this is just speculation.
      - pixl97 10y ago
        Um, pretty much, no. Science fiction turns out to be true when physical reality agrees that it can be true. This again, is why we have a global communications network and personal wireless devices connected to it. This is also the reason we do not go faster than light. The reason we don't have flying cars is they are completely possible. They are also terribly dangerous and expensive and a complete waste of energy. The reason we don't have AGI is not that it is impossible, again if nature can create it, we can recreate it. Since we don't have a good understanding of the networked nature of emergent intelligence we cannot create a power optimized network that would allow us to create a energy efficient version. AGI itself is a complete waste of energy at this point. We already have many types of AI that are energy efficient and used in products now.
        argonaut 10y ago
        > Science fiction turns out to be true when physical reality agrees that it can be true This is a ridiculous argument. Furthermore, even if it were true, it tells us nothing about the timeline. It could take 10,000 years for all we know.

FeepingCreature 10y ago

You know, you mean for that to sound implausible, but the Great Filter is in fact an open research problem.

argonaut 10y ago
I'm pointing out that this is all speculative and dangerously close to science-fiction.
- pixl97 10y ago
  You should learn the difference between what is impossible and what just has not happened yet. Much science-fiction that was in the realm of possibility is now science-reality. One should not need reminded they are communicating at the speed of light over a global communications network capable of reaching billions of people at a time. I'm sure at one point in the past that was science-fiction, now reality. I don't believe you can show me any science that points out why AI/AGI/ASI can be created, we simply are not at that level of sophistication.
  - argonaut 10y ago
    Your argument is basically "some science-fiction has sometimes turned out to be true." That doesn't counter the fact that this is just speculation.
    - pixl97 10y ago
      Um, pretty much, no. Science fiction turns out to be true when physical reality agrees that it can be true. This again, is why we have a global communications network and personal wireless devices connected to it. This is also the reason we do not go faster than light. The reason we don't have flying cars is they are completely possible. They are also terribly dangerous and expensive and a complete waste of energy. The reason we don't have AGI is not that it is impossible, again if nature can create it, we can recreate it. Since we don't have a good understanding of the networked nature of emergent intelligence we cannot create a power optimized network that would allow us to create a energy efficient version. AGI itself is a complete waste of energy at this point. We already have many types of AI that are energy efficient and used in products now.
      - argonaut 10y ago
        > Science fiction turns out to be true when physical reality agrees that it can be true This is a ridiculous argument. Furthermore, even if it were true, it tells us nothing about the timeline. It could take 10,000 years for all we know.