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> He has marketable skills and clearly people have in the past ignored his behavior because it was beneficial to business. He can undoubtedly find a job. But i

by js8 10y ago

> He has marketable skills and clearly people have in the past ignored his behavior because it was beneficial to business. He can undoubtedly find a job. But isn't this what the OP argues against? That nobody should consider him having good skills because he is a harasser? And regarding him having "position of power". I actually wish no one had a position of power, ever. I would even argue that the whole concept exists to facilitate sexual selection, and that's the reason why many people (of both sexes) will want it to exist.

dpark 10y ago
Sure. I'd agree that the OP is arguing that basically no one should employ this guy. I don't quite agree with that, but I also don't think that it's a real concern because someone will employ this guy whether it's a good idea or not. Regarding power, I don't agree with your assessment. Positions of power exist to provide social structure. Yes, positions of power are relevant to mating, but humans would have power structures even if we started reproducing asexually. If you put a dozen people in a room and ask them to accomplish something, leaders will emerge, because the alternative is disorganized, undirected, and wasted energy.
- js8 10y ago
  > ask them to accomplish something, leaders will emerge, because the alternative is disorganized, undirected, and wasted energy There are studies that indicate that the "natural leaders" will be predominantly men, because of intervention from both sexes (both sexes see by default dominant women as worse than dominant men). And I don't think alternative is necessarily wasted energy, for example democracy is a pretty good alternative. It's hard to say what would happen if we were asexual, but maybe we would all readily agree on having democracy.
  - dpark 10y ago
    Democracy is specifically a method for placing people into positions of power.
    - js8 10y ago
      No, that's too simplistic definition. You're talking about representative democracy, but that's just one of the about 4 possible options how to implement democracy, which is at the core about everybody having same power in decision-making.

by js8 10y ago

dpark 10y ago

Sure. I'd agree that the OP is arguing that basically no one should employ this guy. I don't quite agree with that, but I also don't think that it's a real concern because someone will employ this guy whether it's a good idea or not. Regarding power, I don't agree with your assessment. Positions of power exist to provide social structure. Yes, positions of power are relevant to mating, but humans would have power structures even if we started reproducing asexually. If you put a dozen people in a room and ask them to accomplish something, leaders will emerge, because the alternative is disorganized, undirected, and wasted energy.

js8 10y ago
> ask them to accomplish something, leaders will emerge, because the alternative is disorganized, undirected, and wasted energy There are studies that indicate that the "natural leaders" will be predominantly men, because of intervention from both sexes (both sexes see by default dominant women as worse than dominant men). And I don't think alternative is necessarily wasted energy, for example democracy is a pretty good alternative. It's hard to say what would happen if we were asexual, but maybe we would all readily agree on having democracy.
- dpark 10y ago
  Democracy is specifically a method for placing people into positions of power.
  - js8 10y ago
    No, that's too simplistic definition. You're talking about representative democracy, but that's just one of the about 4 possible options how to implement democracy, which is at the core about everybody having same power in decision-making.