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>all evidence shows low carb diets are equally effective regardless of ketosis or not. Well I will take my anecdotic evidence (and my girlfriend's, and two fri
by mixedCase 10y ago
>all evidence shows low carb diets are equally effective regardless of ketosis or not.
Well I will take my anecdotic evidence (and my girlfriend's, and two friends') over your scientific studies. Fat and protein make me feel full well below my caloric needs for maintaining the same weight; I am hardly ever full with carbs, and even when my stomach feel fulls, my brain keeps wanting me to eat.
- andrewflnr 10y agoHow does this contradict GP? All you've said is "carbs don't help me feel full", which is a far cry from "I must have a ketogenic diet".
- mixedCase 10y agoAs it turns out, if a person doesn't feel full, it usually tends to compensate the feeling by eating. More than one should.
- MustardTiger 10y agoWhich again, does not in any way contradict anything I said.
- mcbits 10y agoI don't understand low-carb/keto diets, outside of treating an actual disease. A person can eat 5-10 lbs. of "wet" (i.e. not grains and starches) fruits and vegetables a day and stay well below 2,000 calories, rounding it off with some fish, nuts, etc. for protein and oils. It's physically difficult to eat 1,000 calories of salad at 100-200 calories/pound. The problem is it also costs about 5 times as much as a classic junk food diet (but not much if any more than a beef and bacon and cheese diet).
- cmurf 10y agoBag of chips, $2. Head of romaine 99¢. I can eat a bag of chips. I doubt I can eat that whole head of lettuce. By the time I add sunflower seeds, tomato, bit of goat or parmesan cheese, chopped olives I still think it's less or about the same price as chips.
- mcbits 10y agoExactly, and the bag of chips is at least 1,000 calories. Up to 2,500 calories if we're talking about those generic ripple chips. The lettuce is 50-100 calories. If you're getting most of your daily calories from the likes of lettuce, spinach, tomatoes, cucumbers, peppers, zucchini, broccoli, etc., you can eat steadily all day and still have a hard time hitting 2,000 due to the sheer bulk. But it's gonna cost.
- eru 10y agoDepends on what you see as a disease. For some people, it's the only thing that loses some them weight. (Obesity is a disease?) I am currently giving it a try to see whether it has any benefits for my concentration. (Inattentiveness is a disease?) Plants are fun. I still eat lots of non-starchy ones.
- mixedCase 10y ago> A person can eat 5-10 lbs. of "wet" (i.e. not grains and starches) fruits and vegetables a day and stay well below 2,000 calories Sure, I can too. And I will stay hungry or get into depression again because I wouldn't be getting enough fat.
- eru 10y agoWhat you quoted from MustardTiger doesn't contradict what you said..
- mixedCase 10y agoI'm implying that non-low carb diets aren't as effective in my experience as they make me feel hungrier, thus making me want to always eat more than I should to lose weight.
- eru 10y agoSure. But what you quoted was a statement that the effect of low-carb didn't depend on ketosis. Which is a very different statement---though I don't know if it's true. (I am very sympathetic to low-carb eating, and am trying a ketogenic diet right now.)
- miranda_rights 10y agoI think the person you're replying to is talking about the difference between maintaining a low-carb diet, and ketosis, which requires you to maintain a low-carb diet but specifically IIRC forces your body to break down fats instead of sugars in your body for energy.
- miranda_rights 10y agoI think the person you're replying to is talking about the difference between maintaining a low-carb diet, and ketosis, which requires you to maintain a low-carb diet but specifically IIRC forces your body to break down fats instead of sugars in your body for energy.