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Just wanted to give some context. Here, I'll link directly to the thread you're talking about, so people can judge for themselves. https://news.ycombinator.co

by dcposch 10y ago

Just wanted to give some context. Here, I'll link directly to the thread you're talking about, so people can judge for themselves. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11726188 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11726188

tptacek 10y ago
Uh huh. https://twitter.com/dcposch/status/707069168852410368 https://twitter.com/dcposch/status/707069168852410368 I'm not saying you succeeded in creating a pitchfork mob, just that your attempts to do so were cartoonish, and so it's pretty funny to learn you've found religion about pitchforks now. I would wrap this up by saying: things are complicated, they're often complicated in every possible direction, we usually don't have all the facts (you sure didn't), and we are rarely well served by platitudes. For example: the reason you believe the evidence against Appelbaum appears solid is that people spoke up.
- dcposch 10y ago
  Yep. Here's the full conversation again, it starts with this tweet: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/705825790529662976 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/705825790529662976 That was rude, unkind and you shouldn't have posted it. Happy to have people read both the Twitter thread and the one on HN, I think I said things that were worth, if you'll pardon the phrase, speaking up about.
  - tptacek 10y ago
    I feel bad about it. Specifically: I feel bad that I didn't come up with it. It was funny! Instead, I ended up subjecting someone else to the shitstorm you and Nadim briefly generated. Just weeks ago, you were on HN --- unbidden! --- to inform everyone that I'd been "joking about Nadim's penis". You two deserve each other. I'm going to bow out of this part of the thread before we start litigating a different monster in the security/privacy community.
    - vox_mollis 10y ago
      Are you now implying that Nadim is a monster, not merely someone with whom you have a personal beef?
dang 10y ago
We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11950730 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11950730 and marked it off-topic. Edit: Since people objected and it seems like a bad idea to argue about this, I've put it back.
- droithomme 10y ago
  Shouldn't you have detached at the parent of that one? The other person accused him of something, and he responded pointing out that that person was being untruthful. Detaching his response leaves the accusations made against him and removes his response which proves the accusations are false. Presumably you as mod did not intend to do so because if it was intentional it is certainly an egregious abuse of mod powers and totally unethical, as I'm sure you agree fully.
  - dang 10y ago
    Of course I didn't intend that, and the conservative thing seems to be to just put it back where it was. Your description seems pretty tendentious, though. That comment neither "point[ed] out that [tptacek] was being untruthful" nor "prove[d] that the accusations are false". It just linked to an earlier spat.
- dcposch 10y ago
  @dang that seems reasonable, but can you detatch it starting with the parent post? This thread is about tptacek's claim that I "attempted to whip up an Internet pitchfork mob". I think his accusation and my response should be in the same place. Thanks.

by dcposch 10y ago

tptacek 10y ago

Uh huh. https://twitter.com/dcposch/status/707069168852410368 https://twitter.com/dcposch/status/707069168852410368 I'm not saying you succeeded in creating a pitchfork mob, just that your attempts to do so were cartoonish, and so it's pretty funny to learn you've found religion about pitchforks now. I would wrap this up by saying: things are complicated, they're often complicated in every possible direction, we usually don't have all the facts (you sure didn't), and we are rarely well served by platitudes. For example: the reason you believe the evidence against Appelbaum appears solid is that people spoke up.

dcposch 10y ago
Yep. Here's the full conversation again, it starts with this tweet: https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/705825790529662976 https://twitter.com/tqbf/status/705825790529662976 That was rude, unkind and you shouldn't have posted it. Happy to have people read both the Twitter thread and the one on HN, I think I said things that were worth, if you'll pardon the phrase, speaking up about.
- tptacek 10y ago
  I feel bad about it. Specifically: I feel bad that I didn't come up with it. It was funny! Instead, I ended up subjecting someone else to the shitstorm you and Nadim briefly generated. Just weeks ago, you were on HN --- unbidden! --- to inform everyone that I'd been "joking about Nadim's penis". You two deserve each other. I'm going to bow out of this part of the thread before we start litigating a different monster in the security/privacy community.
  - vox_mollis 10y ago
    Are you now implying that Nadim is a monster, not merely someone with whom you have a personal beef?

dang 10y ago

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11950730 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11950730 and marked it off-topic. Edit: Since people objected and it seems like a bad idea to argue about this, I've put it back.

droithomme 10y ago
Shouldn't you have detached at the parent of that one? The other person accused him of something, and he responded pointing out that that person was being untruthful. Detaching his response leaves the accusations made against him and removes his response which proves the accusations are false. Presumably you as mod did not intend to do so because if it was intentional it is certainly an egregious abuse of mod powers and totally unethical, as I'm sure you agree fully.
- dang 10y ago
  Of course I didn't intend that, and the conservative thing seems to be to just put it back where it was. Your description seems pretty tendentious, though. That comment neither "point[ed] out that [tptacek] was being untruthful" nor "prove[d] that the accusations are false". It just linked to an earlier spat.
dcposch 10y ago
@dang that seems reasonable, but can you detatch it starting with the parent post? This thread is about tptacek's claim that I "attempted to whip up an Internet pitchfork mob". I think his accusation and my response should be in the same place. Thanks.