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While this comment may seem a little inflammatory, it does not deserve a downvote, as it brings an interesting point of discussion. In my view, there are two d
by pwnna 10y ago
While this comment may seem a little inflammatory, it does not deserve a downvote, as it brings an interesting point of discussion.
In my view, there are two different things we have to balance with something like UBI:
1. Provide for those who have "fallen behind" via wealth redistribution.
2. Reward those who are doing exceptional work.
We as a society are generally are good at the second point: skilled worker are generally above median income and thus at or above middle class. We also have ways, albeit not perfect, to deal with the first point: via welfare and other programs.
The problem is the future. I believe that we will continue to try to automate people's jobs, because it is lucrative to do so: if you automate 10 persons' jobs away, you can sell that automation for 8 persons salary, which creates savings for your clients. However, as we automate away more jobs, how do we ensure that people can still live? We can't just leave a large portion of the population to die on the streets. We must come up with a compromise solution that ensure that both people are taken care of and people are rewarded with their good work.
I personally don't know how to balance this without higher taxes on the rich and well off, to the point that I have accepted that this is probably the way of the future. I feel that if we do not apply wealth redistribution, society may become unstable and I would end up worse than paying extra taxes each year.
Lastly, as a sibling comment addressed: those that do well have good luck, which is built on society's shoulders, so I find it natural to give back. I understand that others might not think this way, tho.
- Annatar 10y agoAnd, as everything is completely automated, what use for money is there? (In the following argument, I am assuming free energy via solar / water / wind combination, which is perfectly doable today, but isn't fully implemented for logistic and political reasons. Yet.) If you have everything fully automated to the point that it doesn't cost you or anyone else to produce it, what would be the point of attempting to sell it? And why would anyone buy anything, if everything is automatically produced for free?
- TheCoelacanth 10y agoEven if scarcity of labor goes away, there will still be scarcity of energy and natural resources. We would still need money to apportion the limited resources. We would likely be fantastically wealthy by the standards of today, but there would still be some limits.
- pwnna 10y agoAs a sibling comment has said, there are scarcity of energy and resources. Now let's even pretend that can be a solved problem (not that I think it is possible, just from a physics POV): there will still be a transitional period where the issues I outlined will exist, and all of my arguments still apply during that period.