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While your skepticism is easily justified and I share it, I would just point out that: > Plus, its an opportunity to build brand allegiance at a young age. If

While your skepticism is easily justified and I share it, I would just point out that: > Plus, its an opportunity to build brand allegiance at a young age. If this leads to other vendors like Microsoft, Google, etc. launching their own coding camps geared towards youth I think it's a net win and results in competition in an area which is currently under served. I also think it's a little unrealistic to expect a corporation to just throw money at philanthropic endeavors...as nice it might be to think about/wish for.

jshevek 10y ago
> I also think it's a little unrealistic to expect a corporation to just throw money at philanthropic endeavors...as nice it might be to think about/wish for. Google gave 190,000 - and possibly much more that I'm unaware of. [1] > launching their own coding camps I think what apple is doing right now is 'mostly harmless'. The strategy is flawed and antisocial, but the reach and impact is minimal. However, if all the major players started competing in this area, I think it could quickly became a significant net loss for our society. Established for profit tech corporations with eco-system oriented agendas are not well suited for the role of designing or choosing educational programs for our youth, their self interest is too narrow and all consuming. [1] http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/google-donate-190k-diversify-male-dominated-tech-industry-article-1.1928682 http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/google-donate-...
- hk__2 10y ago
  > Google gave 190,000 - and possibly much more that I'm unaware of Also don’t forget things like the Google Summer of Code: $6k per student x 1000 students x 11 years = $66M so far.
  - jshevek 10y ago
    Yes, and that raises questions for me about Google's bias in the summer of code. Obviously, apple has a massive culture of extreme bias from top to bottom. I'd be curious to know if Google supports projects that benefit the ecosystems of competitors.
    - ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
      Google and Microsoft have been working together on TypeScript since Google decided on TS for Angular2, https://techcrunch.com/2015/03/05/microsoft-and-google-collaborate-on-typescript-hell-has-not-frozen-over-yet/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/03/05/microsoft-and-google-colla...
ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella. “We can’t leave anyone out. We’re proud to make this $75 million investment in computer science education to create new opportunities for students across the spectrum of diverse youth and help build a tech talent pipeline that will spark new innovations for the future.” http://news.microsoft.com/2015/09/16/microsoft-expands-global-youthspark-initiative-to-focus-on-computer-science/#sm.001xnem0z17f3dgovep2bih1mv3l7 http://news.microsoft.com/2015/09/16/microsoft-expands-globa...
soundoflight 10y ago
Microsoft already does this at their stores with YouthSpark. https://www.microsoft.com/about/philanthropies/youthspark/youthsparkhub/programs/yscamps/ https://www.microsoft.com/about/philanthropies/youthspark/yo...
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jshevek 10y ago

> I also think it's a little unrealistic to expect a corporation to just throw money at philanthropic endeavors...as nice it might be to think about/wish for. Google gave 190,000 - and possibly much more that I'm unaware of. [1] > launching their own coding camps I think what apple is doing right now is 'mostly harmless'. The strategy is flawed and antisocial, but the reach and impact is minimal. However, if all the major players started competing in this area, I think it could quickly became a significant net loss for our society. Established for profit tech corporations with eco-system oriented agendas are not well suited for the role of designing or choosing educational programs for our youth, their self interest is too narrow and all consuming. [1] http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/google-donate-190k-diversify-male-dominated-tech-industry-article-1.1928682 http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/education/google-donate-...

hk__2 10y ago
> Google gave 190,000 - and possibly much more that I'm unaware of Also don’t forget things like the Google Summer of Code: $6k per student x 1000 students x 11 years = $66M so far.
- jshevek 10y ago
  Yes, and that raises questions for me about Google's bias in the summer of code. Obviously, apple has a massive culture of extreme bias from top to bottom. I'd be curious to know if Google supports projects that benefit the ecosystems of competitors.
  - ZoeZoeBee 10y ago
    Google and Microsoft have been working together on TypeScript since Google decided on TS for Angular2, https://techcrunch.com/2015/03/05/microsoft-and-google-collaborate-on-typescript-hell-has-not-frozen-over-yet/ https://techcrunch.com/2015/03/05/microsoft-and-google-colla...

ZoeZoeBee 10y ago

Microsoft CEO Satya Nadella. “We can’t leave anyone out. We’re proud to make this $75 million investment in computer science education to create new opportunities for students across the spectrum of diverse youth and help build a tech talent pipeline that will spark new innovations for the future.” http://news.microsoft.com/2015/09/16/microsoft-expands-global-youthspark-initiative-to-focus-on-computer-science/#sm.001xnem0z17f3dgovep2bih1mv3l7 http://news.microsoft.com/2015/09/16/microsoft-expands-globa...

soundoflight 10y ago

Microsoft already does this at their stores with YouthSpark. https://www.microsoft.com/about/philanthropies/youthspark/youthsparkhub/programs/yscamps/ https://www.microsoft.com/about/philanthropies/youthspark/yo...

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