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"This impacts all contracts on Ethereum, not just the DAO. This is an issue with Ethereum’s JavaScript-like programming language (Solidity)." No it doesn't, no

"This impacts all contracts on Ethereum, not just the DAO. This is an issue with Ethereum’s JavaScript-like programming language (Solidity)." No it doesn't, no it's not. It affects contracts that use this functionality with arbitrary untrusted contracts (which is a bad idea), and most contracts just don't use this functionality at all.

drcode 10y ago
Yeah, all this shadenfreude from people who (wrongly) predicted ethereum would never work, and who want to feel vindicated, is predictable but frustrating.
- curiousgal 10y ago
  Honestly, I was in awe by r/bitcoin's reaction to this whole DAO debacle. I thought that the whole Mt Gox "incident" has taught them some empathy to people losing money but I was very wrong.
  - vertex-four 10y ago
    Empathy? Bitcoiners? A large chunk of them are anarcho-capitalists who measure a person's right to survive by how much money they can make, and most of the rest are in it to make themselves rich. There's a fair few who are mostly in it just because it's cool tech, but they avoid Bitcoin forums now due to the former two groups. Note that this covers most other cryptocurrencies as well.
- 099812891 10y ago
  Sure, ephemerum works in the same manner as Windows 98, Adobe Flash and sendmail.
  - etherial 10y ago
    So hugely popular beyond anything you or anyone you know has ever made?
    - 989182911 10y ago
      Sure, Herbalife is also more popular than most things that diligent and intelligent persons have made.
- _98fj 10y ago
  Not at all. When I discovered ethereum a couple of years ago I thought it was a good idea. Partly because I was turning similar ideas in my head at the time. But what I read now sounds like amateurs designed & implemented it. Sorry.
  - cheez 10y ago
    And if masters had invented it, no one would be using it.
cel1ne 10y ago
So you think it's safer if used among "trusted contracts"? Even if you wrote all the contracts that are interacting like this yourself, this is an immense source for bugs. As anyone with some experience in concurrent programming or OOP can tell you. Communication between contracts should have been defined and done via channels.
freedaemon 10y ago
So it impacts the DAO and potentially impacts other deployed contracts (we don't know yet). It's an issue with Solidity because it doesn't even do static analysis to give the programmar a warning. It's not that programmers actively avoid doing this or are explicitly warned to not do it. When real money is at stake the language design needs to be a lot more careful.

drcode 10y ago

Yeah, all this shadenfreude from people who (wrongly) predicted ethereum would never work, and who want to feel vindicated, is predictable but frustrating.

curiousgal 10y ago
Honestly, I was in awe by r/bitcoin's reaction to this whole DAO debacle. I thought that the whole Mt Gox "incident" has taught them some empathy to people losing money but I was very wrong.
- vertex-four 10y ago
  Empathy? Bitcoiners? A large chunk of them are anarcho-capitalists who measure a person's right to survive by how much money they can make, and most of the rest are in it to make themselves rich. There's a fair few who are mostly in it just because it's cool tech, but they avoid Bitcoin forums now due to the former two groups. Note that this covers most other cryptocurrencies as well.
099812891 10y ago
Sure, ephemerum works in the same manner as Windows 98, Adobe Flash and sendmail.
- etherial 10y ago
  So hugely popular beyond anything you or anyone you know has ever made?
  - 989182911 10y ago
    Sure, Herbalife is also more popular than most things that diligent and intelligent persons have made.
_98fj 10y ago
Not at all. When I discovered ethereum a couple of years ago I thought it was a good idea. Partly because I was turning similar ideas in my head at the time. But what I read now sounds like amateurs designed & implemented it. Sorry.
- cheez 10y ago
  And if masters had invented it, no one would be using it.

cel1ne 10y ago

So you think it's safer if used among "trusted contracts"? Even if you wrote all the contracts that are interacting like this yourself, this is an immense source for bugs. As anyone with some experience in concurrent programming or OOP can tell you. Communication between contracts should have been defined and done via channels.

freedaemon 10y ago

So it impacts the DAO and potentially impacts other deployed contracts (we don't know yet). It's an issue with Solidity because it doesn't even do static analysis to give the programmar a warning. It's not that programmers actively avoid doing this or are explicitly warned to not do it. When real money is at stake the language design needs to be a lot more careful.