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> This is just another nail in the coffin for US technology companies. What are the other nails in your opinion? To me it seems that the Silicon Valley is doin

by Hermel 10y ago

> This is just another nail in the coffin for US technology companies. What are the other nails in your opinion? To me it seems that the Silicon Valley is doing quite well.

tremon 10y ago
The other big nail is surveillance itself, especially when coupled with the fact that foreigner's data in US' corporations hands is a free-for-all for everyone.
- jdimov10 10y ago
  Hardly a nail. More like a crooked little staple. In the large scheme of things, nobody cares - and this is unlikely to change.
jacquesm 10y ago
Yes, but they could be doing a lot better. There is a whole raft of companies out there that would have been happy customers of Google, MS and Amazon cloud services that is now doing business elsewhere.
- Arnt 10y ago
  I'm sure they could be doing better, but I notice that Amazon has a region in Frankfurt specifically to address German data protection concerns. There are Amazon employees who could be ordered by the US of A to break German law and extract data from customers at the Frankfurt site. In my judgment, the chance of their being prosecuted in Germany would be indistinguishable from 100%, so the real question is, has Amazon set up its organization such that people who are safely in the US can access such data.
  - jacquesm 10y ago
    Ditto for Amazon Ireland.
  - Johnny555 10y ago
    They'd immediately lose a large chunk of the EU customers that stored data in Frankfurt just because of EU data protection concerns. So I don't think AWS would take the risk of the USA being able to force an employee to disclose data. I wonder if they already separate privileges between regions so one rogue employee can't take down all of their regions.
    - Arnt 10y ago
      An Amazon employee told me that people outside govcloud (Amazon's special region for the US government) are/were technically prevented from accessing it, so the technical ability appears to be there.

by Hermel 10y ago

> This is just another nail in the coffin for US technology companies. What are the other nails in your opinion? To me it seems that the Silicon Valley is doing quite well.

tremon 10y ago

The other big nail is surveillance itself, especially when coupled with the fact that foreigner's data in US' corporations hands is a free-for-all for everyone.

jdimov10 10y ago
Hardly a nail. More like a crooked little staple. In the large scheme of things, nobody cares - and this is unlikely to change.

jacquesm 10y ago

Yes, but they could be doing a lot better. There is a whole raft of companies out there that would have been happy customers of Google, MS and Amazon cloud services that is now doing business elsewhere.

Arnt 10y ago
I'm sure they could be doing better, but I notice that Amazon has a region in Frankfurt specifically to address German data protection concerns. There are Amazon employees who could be ordered by the US of A to break German law and extract data from customers at the Frankfurt site. In my judgment, the chance of their being prosecuted in Germany would be indistinguishable from 100%, so the real question is, has Amazon set up its organization such that people who are safely in the US can access such data.
- jacquesm 10y ago
  Ditto for Amazon Ireland.
- Johnny555 10y ago
  They'd immediately lose a large chunk of the EU customers that stored data in Frankfurt just because of EU data protection concerns. So I don't think AWS would take the risk of the USA being able to force an employee to disclose data. I wonder if they already separate privileges between regions so one rogue employee can't take down all of their regions.
  - Arnt 10y ago
    An Amazon employee told me that people outside govcloud (Amazon's special region for the US government) are/were technically prevented from accessing it, so the technical ability appears to be there.