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And if a EU company were to break the law and send personal data outside the EU, they'd be shut down in a heartbeat too.

by rmc 10y ago

chopin 10y ago
Unfortunately not. Are there any examples for this? I din't see any.
- lars_francke 10y ago
  Not shut down but fined: http://fortune.com/2016/06/06/germany-privacy-adobe-unilever/ http://fortune.com/2016/06/06/germany-privacy-adobe-unilever... This is very recent (June) and I expect more of this in the future. So it is a real threat especially to smaller companies.
- therealmarv 10y ago
  You can put every company which sends your personal data outside EU to court (Safe Harbour rules were kicked in the butt some time ago). Some people are even trying that with Facebook (and may be successful with that).
  - chopin 10y ago
    >Safe Harbour rules were kicked in the butt some time ago Yes I know that. Yet I don't know of any company being shut down who violates this. There are some minor fines which afaik are disputed. In my opinion this decision has been pretty toothless so far.
    - therealmarv 10y ago
      I think nobody is interested in shutting down companies in general. Fines can be hurtful in general and if you are a serious company you reduce your risks and do not do anything against the law. I would not say it is toothless... there is a big market now (even Microsoft is in there) which promotes cloud services in your own country.
  - stevetrewick 10y ago
    Extremely unlikely since a new framework was agreed by the Commission in February 2016 http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-216_en.htm http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-216_en.htm
therealmarv 10y ago
yes this is illegal! They will be fined. No company in EU is allowed to send personal user data to USA without certain restrictions (e.g. Google Apps has a lot of extra legal documents and staff/etc. to keep sure you can use them also from the EU). From a legal point of view it is even forbidden to make business in EU with clients in e.g. WhatsApp (because their servers are outside of EU).

And if a EU company were to break the law and send personal data outside the EU, they'd be shut down in a heartbeat too.

by rmc 10y ago

And if a EU company were to break the law and send personal data outside the EU, they'd be shut down in a heartbeat too.

chopin 10y ago

Unfortunately not. Are there any examples for this? I din't see any.

lars_francke 10y ago
Not shut down but fined: http://fortune.com/2016/06/06/germany-privacy-adobe-unilever/ http://fortune.com/2016/06/06/germany-privacy-adobe-unilever... This is very recent (June) and I expect more of this in the future. So it is a real threat especially to smaller companies.
therealmarv 10y ago
You can put every company which sends your personal data outside EU to court (Safe Harbour rules were kicked in the butt some time ago). Some people are even trying that with Facebook (and may be successful with that).
- chopin 10y ago
  >Safe Harbour rules were kicked in the butt some time ago Yes I know that. Yet I don't know of any company being shut down who violates this. There are some minor fines which afaik are disputed. In my opinion this decision has been pretty toothless so far.
  - therealmarv 10y ago
    I think nobody is interested in shutting down companies in general. Fines can be hurtful in general and if you are a serious company you reduce your risks and do not do anything against the law. I would not say it is toothless... there is a big market now (even Microsoft is in there) which promotes cloud services in your own country.
- stevetrewick 10y ago
  Extremely unlikely since a new framework was agreed by the Commission in February 2016 http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-216_en.htm http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_IP-16-216_en.htm

therealmarv 10y ago

yes this is illegal! They will be fined. No company in EU is allowed to send personal user data to USA without certain restrictions (e.g. Google Apps has a lot of extra legal documents and staff/etc. to keep sure you can use them also from the EU). From a legal point of view it is even forbidden to make business in EU with clients in e.g. WhatsApp (because their servers are outside of EU).