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Even Micrsoft doesn't use IE. Their github's screenshot uses Google Chrome... in incognito. EDIT: I'm actually getting downvoted. This statement is just made i

Even Micrsoft doesn't use IE. Their github's screenshot uses Google Chrome... in incognito. EDIT: I'm actually getting downvoted. This statement is just made in jest people, chill :)

dangrossman 10y ago
Microsoft isn't a person, it's 117,354 different people, who collectively probably use every variety of browser. An incognito window of a different browser than your primary one would be a simple way to get a screenshot free of your private tabs, messy addon buttons, and any pre-release features that shouldn't be made public accidentally.
- rcarmo 10y ago
  This. We actually use non-Windows platforms, too. ;)
tacos 10y ago
They've been doing this on purpose for years to signal they no longer have their heads up their own asses. The fact that you haven't noticed until now may indicate...
- yayadarsh 10y ago
  It sounds like you are attributing this to some sort of surreptitious attempt to "seem relevant", where really it's much simpler. Unless you are working directly on IE/Edge, there is absolutely no "top-down" direction as to which browser you must use. Truth is, you use what browser you like. On my team (MSFT employee) this is a mixture of Chrome, FF, IE, and Edge, based on personal preference.
  - eyko 10y ago
    I'm not sure if your team is large enough for the following question but: do you find that usage ratios are comparable to general (global) browser share stats?
  - tacos 10y ago
    The product states it's compatible with a bunch of browsers; of course the devs use a mix. That's not interesting. But like the requisite non-white person in every group photo, Microsoft's choice of browser screenshots most certainly is a conscious decision. For the same reasons. It's not to fake relevancy; it's to signal they're culturally aware.
    - blahi 10y ago
      You can say it's a conscious decision on a corporate branded product launch, like the surface. Not on some obsucure developer tool's page.
itaysk 10y ago
Why would they use IE, the use Edge :)
jongalloway2 10y ago
As a Microsoft employee who works on conference presentations, works on hands on labs, etc., you can't win on this. If I use Edge exclusively in screenshots, people assume it's not cross-browser, it's not cross-platform, Microsoft is out of touch with other developers, Microsoft's living in a bubble, etc. If I use other browsers for screenshots, I get comments like this. As @dangrossman replied, we all use whatever browser we want for day to day browsing. As a professional web dev, I make a habit of cycling through the modern browsers because it's just a good practice. I was the annoying guy in my dev team (not Microsoft, a financial services company) in the early 2000's that tested everything in Firefox when everyone else just wanted to use IE6 all the time. I'm typing this in Edge now, last week was a Chrome week. [please don't downvote the parent comment]
- sinatra 10y ago
  How about using different browsers for different screenshots?
  - jongalloway2 10y ago
    I do that sometimes, but that's kind of weird too. If you're reading a tutorial that keeps flipping between browsers, it calls attention to the browser rather than what you're learning about. We do sometimes flip between browsers for conference demos - I try not to call attention to it - just use a few different browsers and people who notice that kind of thing will see it.
  - christogreeff 10y ago
    What next? Different operating systems? :) I suspect the guy just wants to get some work done. I'm ok with whatever browser works for him, and I will choose whatever browser works for me if IE/Chrome/Firefox does not perform optimally to my own standards.
  - emn13 10y ago
    Not the parent poster, but if he were me: that can easily look inconsistent (and inconsistency is ugly), and it can also be more work (as you need to walk through whatever steps you planned many more times). And of course, if you do show multiple browsers, which ones? E.g. if you want to include both safari and IE, you need at least two platforms (more work). Firefox & chrome can be quite different across platforms when it comes to acceleration, so if that's a factor... Perhaps one token screenshot to get the message across isn't a bad idea, especially if everything else is chrome - webdevs sometimes seem to think chrome is good enough for everyone, and if there are compat issues in modern sites, it tends to be due to chrome-specific design (IME, but I bet if you've got a particularly windows or apple focus things may be different).
alexdima 10y ago
The screenshot doesn't represent a statement on my part. I use Chrome, Edge and Firefox all the time. I especially enjoy debugging the editor in Edge's F12 Tools, because Edge's debugger is built with the monaco editor ;).
- nojvek 10y ago
  Glad you like it. Let us know if you have any feedback regarding the tools. I'm one of the devs on the team.
- hackinthebochs 10y ago
  Gonna have to give edge a try just for this

Even Micrsoft doesn't use IE. Their github's screenshot uses Google Chrome... in incognito. EDIT: I'm actually getting downvoted. This statement is just made in jest people, chill :)

dangrossman 10y ago

Microsoft isn't a person, it's 117,354 different people, who collectively probably use every variety of browser. An incognito window of a different browser than your primary one would be a simple way to get a screenshot free of your private tabs, messy addon buttons, and any pre-release features that shouldn't be made public accidentally.

rcarmo 10y ago
This. We actually use non-Windows platforms, too. ;)

tacos 10y ago

They've been doing this on purpose for years to signal they no longer have their heads up their own asses. The fact that you haven't noticed until now may indicate...

yayadarsh 10y ago
It sounds like you are attributing this to some sort of surreptitious attempt to "seem relevant", where really it's much simpler. Unless you are working directly on IE/Edge, there is absolutely no "top-down" direction as to which browser you must use. Truth is, you use what browser you like. On my team (MSFT employee) this is a mixture of Chrome, FF, IE, and Edge, based on personal preference.
- eyko 10y ago
  I'm not sure if your team is large enough for the following question but: do you find that usage ratios are comparable to general (global) browser share stats?
- tacos 10y ago
  The product states it's compatible with a bunch of browsers; of course the devs use a mix. That's not interesting. But like the requisite non-white person in every group photo, Microsoft's choice of browser screenshots most certainly is a conscious decision. For the same reasons. It's not to fake relevancy; it's to signal they're culturally aware.
  - blahi 10y ago
    You can say it's a conscious decision on a corporate branded product launch, like the surface. Not on some obsucure developer tool's page.

itaysk 10y ago

Why would they use IE, the use Edge :)

jongalloway2 10y ago

As a Microsoft employee who works on conference presentations, works on hands on labs, etc., you can't win on this. If I use Edge exclusively in screenshots, people assume it's not cross-browser, it's not cross-platform, Microsoft is out of touch with other developers, Microsoft's living in a bubble, etc. If I use other browsers for screenshots, I get comments like this. As @dangrossman replied, we all use whatever browser we want for day to day browsing. As a professional web dev, I make a habit of cycling through the modern browsers because it's just a good practice. I was the annoying guy in my dev team (not Microsoft, a financial services company) in the early 2000's that tested everything in Firefox when everyone else just wanted to use IE6 all the time. I'm typing this in Edge now, last week was a Chrome week. [please don't downvote the parent comment]

sinatra 10y ago
How about using different browsers for different screenshots?
- jongalloway2 10y ago
  I do that sometimes, but that's kind of weird too. If you're reading a tutorial that keeps flipping between browsers, it calls attention to the browser rather than what you're learning about. We do sometimes flip between browsers for conference demos - I try not to call attention to it - just use a few different browsers and people who notice that kind of thing will see it.
- christogreeff 10y ago
  What next? Different operating systems? :) I suspect the guy just wants to get some work done. I'm ok with whatever browser works for him, and I will choose whatever browser works for me if IE/Chrome/Firefox does not perform optimally to my own standards.
- emn13 10y ago
  Not the parent poster, but if he were me: that can easily look inconsistent (and inconsistency is ugly), and it can also be more work (as you need to walk through whatever steps you planned many more times). And of course, if you do show multiple browsers, which ones? E.g. if you want to include both safari and IE, you need at least two platforms (more work). Firefox & chrome can be quite different across platforms when it comes to acceleration, so if that's a factor... Perhaps one token screenshot to get the message across isn't a bad idea, especially if everything else is chrome - webdevs sometimes seem to think chrome is good enough for everyone, and if there are compat issues in modern sites, it tends to be due to chrome-specific design (IME, but I bet if you've got a particularly windows or apple focus things may be different).

alexdima 10y ago

The screenshot doesn't represent a statement on my part. I use Chrome, Edge and Firefox all the time. I especially enjoy debugging the editor in Edge's F12 Tools, because Edge's debugger is built with the monaco editor ;).

nojvek 10y ago
Glad you like it. Let us know if you have any feedback regarding the tools. I'm one of the devs on the team.
hackinthebochs 10y ago
Gonna have to give edge a try just for this