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> Artificial intelligence will never have a limit and it doesn't have all the evolutionary baggage we have. Untrue. We operate in a universe with fundamental l

> Artificial intelligence will never have a limit and it doesn't have all the evolutionary baggage we have. Untrue. We operate in a universe with fundamental limitations built in, where both physics and computer science suggest that what can be obtained with a finite number of steps, or a finite amount of matter and energy, are limited. Any communication is limited by the speed of light, and the amount of matter and energy accessible in the light-cone of any AI produced on Earth is finite as well. Even an AI putting a Dyson sphere around every star would need to break physics to transcend finitude. Any near-term artificial intelligence running off Earth's power grid with semiconductors manufactured in traditional facilities will surely limited in even more fundamental ways, and unlikely to control all of its inputs.

adrianN 10y ago
The fundamental limits on computation [1] that we can prove with current physics are so fantastically far from what we can achieve with current engineering that we might as well say that there are no limits. It's like saying that I can sort any list you can give me in O(1) time, because there is only a constant number of bits encodable in the visible universe, so the length of your list has a constant upper bound. While it's a true statement, it's also rather boring, which is why we typically ignore such limits in casual speech. http://www.arturekert.org/miscellaneous/physical-limits.pdf http://www.arturekert.org/miscellaneous/physical-limits.pdf
- mcbits 10y ago
  If we're talking about triggering an exponentially self-improving lineage of intelligences/computers, then they will either hit a wall fairly quickly (in the grand scheme) or face increasing practical constraints that flatten the curve. The limit may be at an unfathomably high level compared to where we stand, but it will come fast. That's unless, say, it turns out the universe can adapt its physics to meet certain types of ever-increasing demands.

adrianN 10y ago

The fundamental limits on computation [1] that we can prove with current physics are so fantastically far from what we can achieve with current engineering that we might as well say that there are no limits. It's like saying that I can sort any list you can give me in O(1) time, because there is only a constant number of bits encodable in the visible universe, so the length of your list has a constant upper bound. While it's a true statement, it's also rather boring, which is why we typically ignore such limits in casual speech. http://www.arturekert.org/miscellaneous/physical-limits.pdf http://www.arturekert.org/miscellaneous/physical-limits.pdf

mcbits 10y ago
If we're talking about triggering an exponentially self-improving lineage of intelligences/computers, then they will either hit a wall fairly quickly (in the grand scheme) or face increasing practical constraints that flatten the curve. The limit may be at an unfathomably high level compared to where we stand, but it will come fast. That's unless, say, it turns out the universe can adapt its physics to meet certain types of ever-increasing demands.