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I suppose so. But there are always many tools for everything. And everyone can select his favorite.
by capote 10y ago
I suppose so. But there are always many tools for everything. And everyone can select his favorite.
- voltagex_ 10y agoThe problem is if you want support (even commercial help) you'll need to follow some kind of prevailing trend. If I've got a system with grunt or gulp and I need help, I can probably find a local web developer. I'm not so sure if I can find someone who's an expert in Makefiles at the moment.
- capote 10y agoYou already found at least one. Also try anyone with a degree in computer science. I'd wager it's in most first year courses; it was in 3 of mine. Also you could consult anyone who spends a lot of time working on/programming for Linux and/or in C/C++. And it's really easy, and there's tons of literature on it on the internet. And it has a manpage.
- adrianN 10y agoI never encountered make in any assignment during my studies. It certainly wasn't mentioned in the lectures. At my university, you didn't learn any tooling at all, if you thought you needed it you had to teach yourself.
- sotojuan 10y agoMy professor encouraged us to learn Make but ultimately provided the file for us in every project.
- jk563 10y agoNever heard of it until my 3rd company, much less using it in my first undergrad year.
- baq 10y agoif your devs can't handle learning basic make, all is lost.
- pawadu 10y agoyeah, makes you wonder what kind of bubbles some of these developers are living in if they see Make as some magical relic from the past.
- detaro 10y agowhere do you get "some magical relic from the past" from? Not knowing about something != thinking it is useless. The "bubble" is "most people that never used C/C++" (because outside of there, make is pretty rare despite its usefulness), and even if you've used C/C++ you are not necessarily familiar enough with it to know how to properly use it or to realize you can use it as a general tool. Why would you expect people to magically know about (and prefer to others) a tool that's almost never used in the ecosystems they touch, or only behind the scenes?
- voltagex_ 10y agoI'd wager there are a fair few Windows devs who don't know make. Granted there are few who truly understand MSBuild to make the comparison fair.
- TickleSteve 10y agoSeriously? The most used build tool in existence... and you don't think you can find someone who knows it? ...That may be the source of your problems if your devs are that inexperienced!
- mrighele 10y agoThe main issue is that the prevailing trend in web development changes every six months. I wonder how many developers that know grunt you will find in 3 years.
- madeofpalk 10y agoI see this rhetoric being thrown around all the time, but I don't actually think its true in practice. Grunt came out in 2011 and Gulp came out 2 years later with a superior (IMHO) code-over-convention approach. They've kinda been doing their thing since then. Statements like seem to be nothing but FUD.
- chongli 10y agoIt's not about when things come out, it's when people start talking about them. I've been on an for 4 years (a relative newcomer, I know) and this is the first time I've seen either Grunt or Gulp mentioned.
- madeofpalk 10y agoSo how can you be upset with the zeitgeist changing so frequently if it's taking to 4 years to hear about these widely used (in their field) tools?
- toomanythings2 10y agoOn Stackoverflow, I scan down the list of questions on the first page and all I see is a myriad of questions about tools I have no idea about and, therefore, cannot help with. Most of these questions have no, or one, answer; most of which aren't helpful. So the problem with choice is the number of people who also know that tool who can help you.