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It's a stupid idea and a slippery slope. DRM, endless copyright extensions, 3-strikes, DMCA, phone bans. When is the entertainment industry going to be satisfie

by Tharkun 10y ago

It's a stupid idea and a slippery slope. DRM, endless copyright extensions, 3-strikes, DMCA, phone bans. When is the entertainment industry going to be satisfied? When everyone has a brain implant that erases the memory of the performance unless they pay for it? In the case of Alicia Keys that might even be a blessing.

bogomipz 10y ago
This is not about DRM, DCMA or an industry agenda. This is about what behavior is acceptable in a shared public space. When you buy a ticket to an event you don't are not buying the ability to take unlimited photo/video at that event. You also are not entitled to infringing on the ability of other to enjoy that event but obstructing their view with a hand-held device. Maybe you should read the article again?
- Tharkun 10y ago
  The article is full of excuses, like the ones you mention. But that's not the point, at all. The point is still copyright infringement and superstars somehow dictating what is and isn't acceptable. Times change. People have cameras in their pockets. They use and abuse them pretty much 24/7. I agree that it's a dickish thing to do at a concert, but that's not the point entirely. That's a societal debate. Not one artist's decision. Smoking has been banned in concert halls for nearly as long as I can remember. No one has ever searched people for cigarettes or forced them to put their tobacco in magical pouches. Unlike being a dick with your phone, smoking in enclosed spaces is all sorts of nasty (you know the drill, fire hazard, health hazard etc). Depending on where you are, you might get fined. But no one cares enough to actually enforce that on any kind of regular basis. But somehow, for some reason, here we have a bunch of people who are apparently willing and able to force concert-goers to put their phones away. That smells like an industry agenda to me.
imron 10y ago
Sometimes it's nice to be able to watch a show without seeing the glow of all the devices of patrons sitting in front of you.
deciplex 10y ago
This has nothing to do with copyright. If a person performing at a private venue does not want her performance recorded (or, wants only certain people to record her performance) that's entirely her right.
- bogomipz 10y ago
  Yes, its really an odd issue that there's a generation of people out there that don't understand that and feel that a ticket entitles them to the audio and visual recordings of a performance. Back before the ubiquitous cell phone camera era, you were not allowed to bring a camera in a venue without a photo pass. If you were caught with a camera you ran the risk of having that confiscated or being escorted out of the venue. As a ticket holder you were never permitted to bring a recording device.
adwn 10y ago
> It's a stupid idea and a slippery slope. You have literally made a "slippery slope" argument, which is fallacious reasoning. [1] > When everyone has a brain implant that erases the memory of the performance unless they pay for it? The artists' reasons (according to this article) have nothing to do with copyright infringement. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope

by Tharkun 10y ago

bogomipz 10y ago

This is not about DRM, DCMA or an industry agenda. This is about what behavior is acceptable in a shared public space. When you buy a ticket to an event you don't are not buying the ability to take unlimited photo/video at that event. You also are not entitled to infringing on the ability of other to enjoy that event but obstructing their view with a hand-held device. Maybe you should read the article again?

Tharkun 10y ago
The article is full of excuses, like the ones you mention. But that's not the point, at all. The point is still copyright infringement and superstars somehow dictating what is and isn't acceptable. Times change. People have cameras in their pockets. They use and abuse them pretty much 24/7. I agree that it's a dickish thing to do at a concert, but that's not the point entirely. That's a societal debate. Not one artist's decision. Smoking has been banned in concert halls for nearly as long as I can remember. No one has ever searched people for cigarettes or forced them to put their tobacco in magical pouches. Unlike being a dick with your phone, smoking in enclosed spaces is all sorts of nasty (you know the drill, fire hazard, health hazard etc). Depending on where you are, you might get fined. But no one cares enough to actually enforce that on any kind of regular basis. But somehow, for some reason, here we have a bunch of people who are apparently willing and able to force concert-goers to put their phones away. That smells like an industry agenda to me.

imron 10y ago

Sometimes it's nice to be able to watch a show without seeing the glow of all the devices of patrons sitting in front of you.

deciplex 10y ago

This has nothing to do with copyright. If a person performing at a private venue does not want her performance recorded (or, wants only certain people to record her performance) that's entirely her right.

bogomipz 10y ago
Yes, its really an odd issue that there's a generation of people out there that don't understand that and feel that a ticket entitles them to the audio and visual recordings of a performance. Back before the ubiquitous cell phone camera era, you were not allowed to bring a camera in a venue without a photo pass. If you were caught with a camera you ran the risk of having that confiscated or being escorted out of the venue. As a ticket holder you were never permitted to bring a recording device.

adwn 10y ago

> It's a stupid idea and a slippery slope. You have literally made a "slippery slope" argument, which is fallacious reasoning. [1] > When everyone has a brain implant that erases the memory of the performance unless they pay for it? The artists' reasons (according to this article) have nothing to do with copyright infringement. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope