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> Btw, I don't know how much Lightroom improved on iOS, but it always felt like a hassle to get photos into it. The same could be said for desktop version. I'd

by misnome 10y ago

> Btw, I don't know how much Lightroom improved on iOS, but it always felt like a hassle to get photos into it. The same could be said for desktop version. I'd select a few important shots and do whatever it takes to have them in Lightroom, but there's no way I'd use that as my primary photo manager, and I feel that those "serious" people also have a different managing system that doesn't rely on Lightroom (I remember articles about pros manually filtering in folders and backups before even starting lightroom) Lightroom isn't really aimed at day-to-day individual shots; For big collections eg. Studio shoots, photowalks, vacations, weddings you can very easily sort, tag, rate, tweak, exclude, work on multiple copies and organise into whatever folder/tag structure you want, without touching the original file at all - and you can tell it to just passively use your existing photo folder structure. AFAIK The iOS lightroom is only really useful for Lightroom-using pros who want to easily pull up their catalogs Most things I take on my phone just get auto-dumped into my Dropbox camera-uploads, where I can retrieve them if I want to. Most other usage of my 'Camera Roll' on the phone is flicking through the past couple of pages to show people what I have been up to recently. I'm not saying A simple, on-the-go tagging system wouldn't be useful, and there is certainly room for improvement, but I wouldn't by any means say that there is cause to say that they "Don't understand photography"

hrktb 10y ago
I mostly agree; to say two more words about Lightroom, I still use it with a set of catalogs spanning the entire library. But as you describe, the intake and structuring of the photos from the cameras and devices is handled by other programs and services (in my case Google Photos and dropbox with scripts dealing with folders and backup) and the sharing/publishing is also done outside of Lightroom. I think LR needs to know about all the photos to do the tagging and editing, but otherwise it becomes a smaller and smaller piece of the overall workflow. About the "Don't understand photography", IMO it's misdirected in the sense that Apple surely understands how people want to deal with their photos, but they seem to be pretty bad at this game, stagnated for a while (even now, they don't care enough to bring a competitive pricing model for the icloud storage), and now that decent competitors are rising up with features way ahead of what Apple has to offer they look like they're missing the boat. Fundamentally Apple has been going the right direction for a long time IMO. I think they're just wildly underestimating how much they are behind what people expect from them and are too slow on the execution to capture the needs of the moderate to heaviest users. As they are heavily flexing their marketing muscle tonpresent themselves as where photo happens on smartphones, there's a dissonance between their "with us you can take the best photos" message and the state of photo management on their platform.

by misnome 10y ago

hrktb 10y ago

I mostly agree; to say two more words about Lightroom, I still use it with a set of catalogs spanning the entire library. But as you describe, the intake and structuring of the photos from the cameras and devices is handled by other programs and services (in my case Google Photos and dropbox with scripts dealing with folders and backup) and the sharing/publishing is also done outside of Lightroom. I think LR needs to know about all the photos to do the tagging and editing, but otherwise it becomes a smaller and smaller piece of the overall workflow. About the "Don't understand photography", IMO it's misdirected in the sense that Apple surely understands how people want to deal with their photos, but they seem to be pretty bad at this game, stagnated for a while (even now, they don't care enough to bring a competitive pricing model for the icloud storage), and now that decent competitors are rising up with features way ahead of what Apple has to offer they look like they're missing the boat. Fundamentally Apple has been going the right direction for a long time IMO. I think they're just wildly underestimating how much they are behind what people expect from them and are too slow on the execution to capture the needs of the moderate to heaviest users. As they are heavily flexing their marketing muscle tonpresent themselves as where photo happens on smartphones, there's a dissonance between their "with us you can take the best photos" message and the state of photo management on their platform.