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"Apple doesn't support my personal use case well, therefore they dont understand photography" Lots of people DO want to organise photos from trips and events,

by misnome 10y ago

"Apple doesn't support my personal use case well, therefore they dont understand photography" Lots of people DO want to organise photos from trips and events, and evidence shows that those people (who are probably a much larger sample than the author) are happy. Anecdotally, I have several relatives who are extremely happy - to the extent of regularly making photo books from trips. Everyone else I know who do "Serious" photography use Lightroom, and don't touch Apple's Photo organiser. The history of browsing on my phone is enough.

fennecfoxen 10y ago
I use Lightroom as well. Normally that means I'm using a good camera, too, but I offload the iPhone pictures too and filtering out the stupid receipts (etc) is a problem there too.
denzil_correa 10y ago
> "Apple doesn't support my personal use case well, therefore they dont understand photography" Pretty much comes across as this. It would have come across as much better IF the author would have positioned this as - there is a shift in the landscape of the "average case" photography and if Apple recognizes it, it could be a game changer.
phaed 10y ago
The contrarian will always lose sight of the forest for the trees, this goes both ways.
rm999 10y ago
From the context of the article I don't think the author is proposing removing the default "vacation" functionality of grouping photos by time/location; that could just be one of many modes (e.g. spending several days in a location outside your usual location = auto-group together in an album). This behavior detection is totally possible with simple rules, or modern machine learning. It's one of those ideas that totally makes sense in retrospect. I like the article a lot.
- mercer 10y ago
  It shouldn't even be too difficult to create separate albums/streams for things like 'closeups' or 'labels/bills'.
hrktb 10y ago
The point was not that events shouldn't be organized, more that they are occasional and other camera use are as important. You are right that some people don't care about better intelligence, but the response to Google Photos is big enough to also show that having a huge engine to work with one's photo is valuable. Being able to do searches like 'receipt' or 'ikea' or 'parking' and have actually relevant results is both mind blowing and extremely convenient, and I haven't heard of anyone who didn't wish Apple would have even half of the feature Google photos have after trying it for a few days. I also made the jump and the device's photo library has become a mere backup of my photos. Going further, I agree with the author that if quick (or even auto) tagging of photo was easier it would help a lot. Btw, I don't know how much Lightroom improved on iOS, but it always felt like a hassle to get photos into it. The same could be said for desktop version. I'd select a few important shots and do whatever it takes to have them in Lightroom, but there's no way I'd use that as my primary photo manager, and I feel that those "serious" people also have a different managing system that doesn't rely on Lightroom (I remember articles about pros manually filtering in folders and backups before even starting lightroom)
- coldtea 10y ago
  >The point was not that events shouldn't be organized, more that they are occasional and other camera use are as important. Which is wrong. Far more people take vacations photos, selfies, events (birthdays, out with friends), kids, pets and food shots, than shoot their receipts or use their camera as a magnifying glass (taking a picture and zooming in to read something). And yet, he puts those outlier usages at 99% of camera use, saying that the regular selfie/vacation/kids/etc photos are "1% of photography. On which I call BS.
  - sdenton4 10y ago
    How often do you get a receipt, and hope often do you go on trips? Really it seems like the camera app should feed out new photos to other apps, like the receipt organizing app, to decide whether it's a relevant image or not, and act accordingly. Put the smarts in there downstream apps, not there cameras app...

by misnome 10y ago

fennecfoxen 10y ago

I use Lightroom as well. Normally that means I'm using a good camera, too, but I offload the iPhone pictures too and filtering out the stupid receipts (etc) is a problem there too.

denzil_correa 10y ago

> "Apple doesn't support my personal use case well, therefore they dont understand photography" Pretty much comes across as this. It would have come across as much better IF the author would have positioned this as - there is a shift in the landscape of the "average case" photography and if Apple recognizes it, it could be a game changer.

phaed 10y ago

The contrarian will always lose sight of the forest for the trees, this goes both ways.

rm999 10y ago

From the context of the article I don't think the author is proposing removing the default "vacation" functionality of grouping photos by time/location; that could just be one of many modes (e.g. spending several days in a location outside your usual location = auto-group together in an album). This behavior detection is totally possible with simple rules, or modern machine learning. It's one of those ideas that totally makes sense in retrospect. I like the article a lot.

mercer 10y ago
It shouldn't even be too difficult to create separate albums/streams for things like 'closeups' or 'labels/bills'.

hrktb 10y ago

The point was not that events shouldn't be organized, more that they are occasional and other camera use are as important. You are right that some people don't care about better intelligence, but the response to Google Photos is big enough to also show that having a huge engine to work with one's photo is valuable. Being able to do searches like 'receipt' or 'ikea' or 'parking' and have actually relevant results is both mind blowing and extremely convenient, and I haven't heard of anyone who didn't wish Apple would have even half of the feature Google photos have after trying it for a few days. I also made the jump and the device's photo library has become a mere backup of my photos. Going further, I agree with the author that if quick (or even auto) tagging of photo was easier it would help a lot. Btw, I don't know how much Lightroom improved on iOS, but it always felt like a hassle to get photos into it. The same could be said for desktop version. I'd select a few important shots and do whatever it takes to have them in Lightroom, but there's no way I'd use that as my primary photo manager, and I feel that those "serious" people also have a different managing system that doesn't rely on Lightroom (I remember articles about pros manually filtering in folders and backups before even starting lightroom)

coldtea 10y ago
>The point was not that events shouldn't be organized, more that they are occasional and other camera use are as important. Which is wrong. Far more people take vacations photos, selfies, events (birthdays, out with friends), kids, pets and food shots, than shoot their receipts or use their camera as a magnifying glass (taking a picture and zooming in to read something). And yet, he puts those outlier usages at 99% of camera use, saying that the regular selfie/vacation/kids/etc photos are "1% of photography. On which I call BS.
- sdenton4 10y ago
  How often do you get a receipt, and hope often do you go on trips? Really it seems like the camera app should feed out new photos to other apps, like the receipt organizing app, to decide whether it's a relevant image or not, and act accordingly. Put the smarts in there downstream apps, not there cameras app...