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But wasn't the smart contract system the selling point for the novelty of Ethereum? If it doesn't work reliably, why should we use it over the more mature and s

by Cyph0n 10y ago

But wasn't the smart contract system the selling point for the novelty of Ethereum? If it doesn't work reliably, why should we use it over the more mature and stable Bitcoin?

anonymousab 10y ago
It works reliably, insofar as you are fully able to write and execute a desired contract, but also able to write a contract that shoots you in the foot. Like a certain programming language's features, it may happen to be easier than not.
- Cyph0n 10y ago
  That's a strange way to design a financial contract system. I mean, just like Rust checks for memory safety at compile time, can't the contract language make similar checks? Or perhaps the contracts can run in a simulator first?
  - nawitus 10y ago
    Yes, you can write a contract language (or improve an existing one) which contains static checks. That hasn't been implemented yet probably because of lack of resources. The higher level contract language is compiled down to byte code. You can in addition implement these safety checks to be executed during runtime, but that costs money.
  - erikpukinskis 10y ago
    It's not a financial contract system. It's a decentralized general purpose computing platform. It can be used for financial contracts.
21echoes 10y ago
My understanding is that the bug was in a particular contract written using the Ethereum contract "language", not Ethereum itself. E.g., one does not stop using Python because there's a bug in Quora
- Animats 10y ago
  The people who screwed up the DAO smart contract can't fix the problem from within the DAO, and they want to change the rules of Etherium to fix the DAO's problem. The fact that the same people are behind Etherium, the DAO, and the programmable door-lock startup makes this possible. It also makes it suspicious. In the Bitcoin world, all too often we've seen an "outside hack" that turned out to be insiders.
  - wcummings 10y ago
    >and the programmable door-lock startup The door lock company is the funniest part of the whole thing. It makes this meltdown so much less surprising tbh.
    - stale2002 10y ago
      Whats up with the door lock thing? I haven't heard about that.
      - nawitus 10y ago
        Probably refers to this: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ethereum-based-slock-reveals-first-ever-lock-opened-money-1527014 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ethereum-based-slock-reveals-first-... Somewhat related: the lock in my apartment is actually based on cryptography too. It uses SHA-1, which is somewhat scary, because it's not considered "safe" anymore. The algorithm was probably chosen because it uses less energy compared to safer ones, as the lock gets the energy from the turning of the key.
        tamana 10y ago
        Sha-1 is only unsafe if an attacker can get a copy of the hashed password
    - stale2002 10y ago
      Oh god, its some random IoT company that is using the blockchain to run its IoT platform for no reason, and then decided to pivot into a decentralized investment fund.

by Cyph0n 10y ago

But wasn't the smart contract system the selling point for the novelty of Ethereum? If it doesn't work reliably, why should we use it over the more mature and stable Bitcoin?

anonymousab 10y ago

It works reliably, insofar as you are fully able to write and execute a desired contract, but also able to write a contract that shoots you in the foot. Like a certain programming language's features, it may happen to be easier than not.

Cyph0n 10y ago
That's a strange way to design a financial contract system. I mean, just like Rust checks for memory safety at compile time, can't the contract language make similar checks? Or perhaps the contracts can run in a simulator first?
- nawitus 10y ago
  Yes, you can write a contract language (or improve an existing one) which contains static checks. That hasn't been implemented yet probably because of lack of resources. The higher level contract language is compiled down to byte code. You can in addition implement these safety checks to be executed during runtime, but that costs money.
- erikpukinskis 10y ago
  It's not a financial contract system. It's a decentralized general purpose computing platform. It can be used for financial contracts.

21echoes 10y ago

My understanding is that the bug was in a particular contract written using the Ethereum contract "language", not Ethereum itself. E.g., one does not stop using Python because there's a bug in Quora

Animats 10y ago
The people who screwed up the DAO smart contract can't fix the problem from within the DAO, and they want to change the rules of Etherium to fix the DAO's problem. The fact that the same people are behind Etherium, the DAO, and the programmable door-lock startup makes this possible. It also makes it suspicious. In the Bitcoin world, all too often we've seen an "outside hack" that turned out to be insiders.
- wcummings 10y ago
  >and the programmable door-lock startup The door lock company is the funniest part of the whole thing. It makes this meltdown so much less surprising tbh.
  - stale2002 10y ago
    Whats up with the door lock thing? I haven't heard about that.
    - nawitus 10y ago
      Probably refers to this: http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ethereum-based-slock-reveals-first-ever-lock-opened-money-1527014 http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/ethereum-based-slock-reveals-first-... Somewhat related: the lock in my apartment is actually based on cryptography too. It uses SHA-1, which is somewhat scary, because it's not considered "safe" anymore. The algorithm was probably chosen because it uses less energy compared to safer ones, as the lock gets the energy from the turning of the key.
      - tamana 10y ago
        Sha-1 is only unsafe if an attacker can get a copy of the hashed password
  - stale2002 10y ago
    Oh god, its some random IoT company that is using the blockchain to run its IoT platform for no reason, and then decided to pivot into a decentralized investment fund.