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I feel like this article may be a bit unfair. It sounds like organically a community wields a large number of votes, and they aren't getting the same treatment

I feel like this article may be a bit unfair. It sounds like organically a community wields a large number of votes, and they aren't getting the same treatment as other communities on Reddit?

msbarnett 10y ago
Well, the purpose of Reddit's r/all algorithm isn't to implement some nebulous sense of "fairness" or "content-blind consistent treatment", it's to provide a "good" mix of content from all of Reddit for the enjoyment of users. If one subreddit is swamping the r/all algorithm, it makes sense to tweak it to lower their impact. Especially if it's polarizing content that might drive a significant volume of traffic that didn't sign up for that content away.
SixSigma 10y ago
Of course it's unfair, it's the anti-Trump WaPo U/spez has declared the_Donald as a problem and is trying to penalise it under the table, and failing. Unlike F.P.H. they can't just declare the_Donald as against the secret rules and pull the plug, or will they...
legulere 10y ago
/r/the_donald is harassing moderators from other subreddits, the moderators take part in vote manipulation (for which their most active mod was recently banned). I actually wonder why the subreddit isn't shut down yet.
- bsamuels 10y ago
  i'm pretty sure reddit couldnt shut down a subreddit dedicated to a presidential nominee without causing the shitstorm of the century, especially trump
- FunctionalMan 10y ago
  They said this before when overweight people didn't like to see posts from healthy-weight people. Why don't they just state who the site is for in the TOS and people can decide up-front if its for them, instead of pretending to be organic and democratic? It's ok to lean right or left or fat, but state your mission.
vinhboy 10y ago
Did you even read the article? They are being targeted because they are engaging in vote manipulation. Members of other subreddit don't collude to upvote everything and try to get into /r/all. They also don't go and attack other subs. Also, the racist and sexist nature of the posts makes it inappropriate. Reddit has already taken a stance against this sort of content when it banned a bunch of subreddits a few months ago.
- back_beyond 10y ago
  What are some examples of racist and sexist posts from /r/the_donald that have gained traction? Is censorship of "inappropriate" speech the right precedent?
  - basch 10y ago
    censorship would be taking away their sub or removing it entirely from /r/all turning the volume down on one tv because they are purposely boosting it to drown out other tvs is not censorship.
    - back_beyond 10y ago
      If restricting the message of a movement isn't censorship, that's news to me.
      - basch 10y ago
        /r/all is an algorithmically balanced sample of everything going on on reddit. it is in everyones best interest to keep one subcommunity from shouting over everyone else. letting them speak, but peppering in more of the other posts is not censorship.
        back_beyond 10y ago
        We should limit a community's exposure, even if it's organic and consistently one of the most active[1] on all of Reddit? What if we gave extra votes to lesser-represented political parties because, you know, they have good ideas too - right? Let's not pretend that this algorithmic change won't have the same impact. [1] http://redditlist.com/ http://redditlist.com/

I feel like this article may be a bit unfair. It sounds like organically a community wields a large number of votes, and they aren't getting the same treatment as other communities on Reddit?

msbarnett 10y ago

Well, the purpose of Reddit's r/all algorithm isn't to implement some nebulous sense of "fairness" or "content-blind consistent treatment", it's to provide a "good" mix of content from all of Reddit for the enjoyment of users. If one subreddit is swamping the r/all algorithm, it makes sense to tweak it to lower their impact. Especially if it's polarizing content that might drive a significant volume of traffic that didn't sign up for that content away.

SixSigma 10y ago

Of course it's unfair, it's the anti-Trump WaPo U/spez has declared the_Donald as a problem and is trying to penalise it under the table, and failing. Unlike F.P.H. they can't just declare the_Donald as against the secret rules and pull the plug, or will they...

legulere 10y ago

/r/the_donald is harassing moderators from other subreddits, the moderators take part in vote manipulation (for which their most active mod was recently banned). I actually wonder why the subreddit isn't shut down yet.

bsamuels 10y ago
i'm pretty sure reddit couldnt shut down a subreddit dedicated to a presidential nominee without causing the shitstorm of the century, especially trump
FunctionalMan 10y ago
They said this before when overweight people didn't like to see posts from healthy-weight people. Why don't they just state who the site is for in the TOS and people can decide up-front if its for them, instead of pretending to be organic and democratic? It's ok to lean right or left or fat, but state your mission.

vinhboy 10y ago

Did you even read the article? They are being targeted because they are engaging in vote manipulation. Members of other subreddit don't collude to upvote everything and try to get into /r/all. They also don't go and attack other subs. Also, the racist and sexist nature of the posts makes it inappropriate. Reddit has already taken a stance against this sort of content when it banned a bunch of subreddits a few months ago.

back_beyond 10y ago
What are some examples of racist and sexist posts from /r/the_donald that have gained traction? Is censorship of "inappropriate" speech the right precedent?
- basch 10y ago
  censorship would be taking away their sub or removing it entirely from /r/all turning the volume down on one tv because they are purposely boosting it to drown out other tvs is not censorship.
  - back_beyond 10y ago
    If restricting the message of a movement isn't censorship, that's news to me.
    - basch 10y ago
      /r/all is an algorithmically balanced sample of everything going on on reddit. it is in everyones best interest to keep one subcommunity from shouting over everyone else. letting them speak, but peppering in more of the other posts is not censorship.
      - back_beyond 10y ago
        We should limit a community's exposure, even if it's organic and consistently one of the most active[1] on all of Reddit? What if we gave extra votes to lesser-represented political parties because, you know, they have good ideas too - right? Let's not pretend that this algorithmic change won't have the same impact. [1] http://redditlist.com/ http://redditlist.com/