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On the other hand, where I live winter was pretty nice and May was just amazing. Have other things to panic about. "How do you have audacity not worrying about

On the other hand, where I live winter was pretty nice and May was just amazing. Have other things to panic about. "How do you have audacity not worrying about our problems", you're probably selfishly asking. Well, I've never seen much caring about my problems.

mathgeek 10y ago
> where I live Important to remember that "Earth" is a valid answer for where you live, as well.
- guard-of-terra 10y ago
  Do I worry about climate change on "Earth where I live"? Definitely. Does it enter the short-list of problems important for me? Definitely not. Do I think that sticking with pre-industrial climate is the only option? Frankly I don't. Stanislav Lem with his promised palm trees in Greenland is still vivid. Just saying that because my point of view got to be represented.
  - rvense 10y ago
    I think you'll find that science fiction authors are the only ones suggesting that the new climate will be better. Or at least that the period as we move towards a new equilibrium will be anything less than catastrophic.
    - guard-of-terra 10y ago
      "the only ones suggesting that the new climate will be better" Or maybe quite contrary, it's only people of certain coasts that think our current climate was optimal. Yes we share a common Earth, but we do have conflicting interests on it.
      - TeMPOraL 10y ago
        > Yes we share a common Earth, but we do have conflicting interests on it. True. But here I was thinking that we're above wanting to cut down the expense on heating for few million of our neighbours at the expense of fucking over the lives of several billion.
        mathgeek 10y ago
        Honestly, I don't think that's far off from the mindsets of a sizable number in the developed world.
        guard-of-terra 10y ago
        More than a hundred millions of people stuck in cold climate. And it's about quality of life, not just "expense on heating". And that's what they get for no effort. Do you seriously expect them to show effort for bringing their climate back to worse? Do you seriously think that any minority should be screwed over just because a larger set of people might benefit from this? For example, imagine they find a deposit of fertilizer on some tropical island. A lot of people could benefit from that fertilizer (and especially the few involved in this operation), should we just confiscate the island? After all, there's just a few thousands of inhabitants, who can be easily moved to a camp in some desert.
    - baddox 10y ago
      Wait, are you suggesting that the mainstream view is that catastrophic climate change is inevitable? I don't think that's accurate.
      - TeMPOraL 10y ago
        Well, the climate change might not be catastrophic per se, but I wouldn't be so sure about population movements it'll force, or its effect on global food supply. It would be a damn shame if technological civilization collapsed into war and famine just because the average temperature on the planet rose a few degrees. But it feels quite likely.
        baddox 10y ago
        It all depends on how quickly the climate changes. Populations move and food production changes over time anyway, so a sufficiently gradual change in climate is probably not going to cause anything remotely resembling a catastrophe. I think climate change believers do a disservice when they overcompensate against climate change deniers by making claims about impending doom.
  - Oletros 10y ago
    I would like to see those palm trees growing in the darkness of Greenland
    - guard-of-terra 10y ago
      They had artificial suns in orbit to bathe those in sunlight.
  - nathan_f77 10y ago
    I would tend to agree with you. As of right now, I'm not personally involved in the fight against global warming. I'll try to do my part, but it's just like the efforts of one vegan trying to stop the slaughter of millions of animals. If it's going to happen, then it happens. I'll be reading the news all the way, but really the only thing I can do is to be prepared for the worst.
asQuirreL 10y ago
I take it then, that your username is ironic?
ajnin 10y ago
I hope you forgot the pronoun in your second sentence. Otherwise you have no place telling others what they should feel concerned about just because the weather was pretty nice in your backyard. Not to mention it is incredibly short-sighted to think the fate of the rest of the world will have no impact on your life.
- guard-of-terra 10y ago
  Maybe that huge "rest of the world" figures out its problems on itself? Didn't see much interest towards my fate in the eyes of "rest of the world".
  - Rusky 10y ago
    Interest in dealing with the consequences of global warming is interest towards your fate. Regardless of where you live, you will be affected. The temperature in your backyard is irrelevant.
themartorana 10y ago
These are still your problems. The economic fallout alone could personally affect you, or those nicer days could lead to hurricanes and tornados where there were none, and so on.
adwhit 10y ago
You should panic for purely selfish reasons. There will be huge migrations caused by global warming, literally billions of people, and they're probably going to want to live where you are now. They may not get there, but at the very least, the measures required to keep them out (police state?) will probably affect you negatively.

mathgeek 10y ago

> where I live Important to remember that "Earth" is a valid answer for where you live, as well.

guard-of-terra 10y ago
Do I worry about climate change on "Earth where I live"? Definitely. Does it enter the short-list of problems important for me? Definitely not. Do I think that sticking with pre-industrial climate is the only option? Frankly I don't. Stanislav Lem with his promised palm trees in Greenland is still vivid. Just saying that because my point of view got to be represented.
- rvense 10y ago
  I think you'll find that science fiction authors are the only ones suggesting that the new climate will be better. Or at least that the period as we move towards a new equilibrium will be anything less than catastrophic.
  - guard-of-terra 10y ago
    "the only ones suggesting that the new climate will be better" Or maybe quite contrary, it's only people of certain coasts that think our current climate was optimal. Yes we share a common Earth, but we do have conflicting interests on it.
    - TeMPOraL 10y ago
      > Yes we share a common Earth, but we do have conflicting interests on it. True. But here I was thinking that we're above wanting to cut down the expense on heating for few million of our neighbours at the expense of fucking over the lives of several billion.
      - mathgeek 10y ago
        Honestly, I don't think that's far off from the mindsets of a sizable number in the developed world.
      - guard-of-terra 10y ago
        More than a hundred millions of people stuck in cold climate. And it's about quality of life, not just "expense on heating". And that's what they get for no effort. Do you seriously expect them to show effort for bringing their climate back to worse? Do you seriously think that any minority should be screwed over just because a larger set of people might benefit from this? For example, imagine they find a deposit of fertilizer on some tropical island. A lot of people could benefit from that fertilizer (and especially the few involved in this operation), should we just confiscate the island? After all, there's just a few thousands of inhabitants, who can be easily moved to a camp in some desert.
  - baddox 10y ago
    Wait, are you suggesting that the mainstream view is that catastrophic climate change is inevitable? I don't think that's accurate.
    - TeMPOraL 10y ago
      Well, the climate change might not be catastrophic per se, but I wouldn't be so sure about population movements it'll force, or its effect on global food supply. It would be a damn shame if technological civilization collapsed into war and famine just because the average temperature on the planet rose a few degrees. But it feels quite likely.
      - baddox 10y ago
        It all depends on how quickly the climate changes. Populations move and food production changes over time anyway, so a sufficiently gradual change in climate is probably not going to cause anything remotely resembling a catastrophe. I think climate change believers do a disservice when they overcompensate against climate change deniers by making claims about impending doom.
- Oletros 10y ago
  I would like to see those palm trees growing in the darkness of Greenland
  - guard-of-terra 10y ago
    They had artificial suns in orbit to bathe those in sunlight.
- nathan_f77 10y ago
  I would tend to agree with you. As of right now, I'm not personally involved in the fight against global warming. I'll try to do my part, but it's just like the efforts of one vegan trying to stop the slaughter of millions of animals. If it's going to happen, then it happens. I'll be reading the news all the way, but really the only thing I can do is to be prepared for the worst.

asQuirreL 10y ago

I take it then, that your username is ironic?

ajnin 10y ago

I hope you forgot the pronoun in your second sentence. Otherwise you have no place telling others what they should feel concerned about just because the weather was pretty nice in your backyard. Not to mention it is incredibly short-sighted to think the fate of the rest of the world will have no impact on your life.

guard-of-terra 10y ago
Maybe that huge "rest of the world" figures out its problems on itself? Didn't see much interest towards my fate in the eyes of "rest of the world".
- Rusky 10y ago
  Interest in dealing with the consequences of global warming is interest towards your fate. Regardless of where you live, you will be affected. The temperature in your backyard is irrelevant.

themartorana 10y ago

These are still your problems. The economic fallout alone could personally affect you, or those nicer days could lead to hurricanes and tornados where there were none, and so on.

adwhit 10y ago

You should panic for purely selfish reasons. There will be huge migrations caused by global warming, literally billions of people, and they're probably going to want to live where you are now. They may not get there, but at the very least, the measures required to keep them out (police state?) will probably affect you negatively.