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You buy the propaganda line then? Are the other 40% IS in your book? By your argument we should just let them all sleep in a ditch next to the border of the co

You buy the propaganda line then? Are the other 40% IS in your book? By your argument we should just let them all sleep in a ditch next to the border of the country they fled, because that's good enough? That is more or less what is happening now. Tell me. If Britain were engaged in a shooting war, would you consider the Isle of Man safe? Or would you go further?

sorenjan 10y ago
What's your take on the camps in France [0] filled with migrants trying to get to Britain? Which wars in France are they fleeing? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle
- madaxe_again 10y ago
  People are trying to flee to somewhere familiar, be it because of language or brand presence. Additionally, many report they want to join family (cousins etc) already in the uk through legal means. I'm sure there are charlatans among them - but we are enacting collective punishment currently, which was largely abolished centuries ago. What's your take on the 3000 refugee a year limit the uk is working to? (20,000 by 2020)
  - ThomPete 10y ago
    Somewhere familiar? How is Denmark or Sweden or Germany familiar to Syria? If you flee because of war you don't care where you go, you just want to get away from the war. Moving to Denmark or UK or Sweden is a completely different operation. Keep in mind that most people are left in the refugee camps near the conflict. For every person we have to take into our welfare system we are basically not able to provide for 10 if not hundreds of others in the actual area of the conflict. The idea with being an actual refugee is that you are supposed to go back once the conflict is over and rebuild your own country. Thats not the plan of those who move so far away. You are trying to turn something with a lot of gray areas into som black/white moral thing were the only right thing to do is help. Sweden said just come everyone everyone warned them. Now they have closed the borders and is sending 80.000 back. This is because they didn't realize that Denmark did which is you can't just take people in large quantity with such different cultures without it undermining the country they are migrating to. It's easy to play the good person when you don't have responsibility for a country.
ThomPete 10y ago
What propaganda? There are many refugee camps near the actual conflict areas. It's not cheap to get to Denmark, so only those with most money can do it, which means the rest are left in the actual refugee camps near the area they fled from. All you need to do is go and check out the refugee camps in ex. Denmark and you will find it to be mostly men, many of them married which mean they left their wife and or children behind. Think about that for a moment.

sorenjan 10y ago

What's your take on the camps in France [0] filled with migrants trying to get to Britain? Which wars in France are they fleeing? [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calais_Jungle

madaxe_again 10y ago
People are trying to flee to somewhere familiar, be it because of language or brand presence. Additionally, many report they want to join family (cousins etc) already in the uk through legal means. I'm sure there are charlatans among them - but we are enacting collective punishment currently, which was largely abolished centuries ago. What's your take on the 3000 refugee a year limit the uk is working to? (20,000 by 2020)
- ThomPete 10y ago
  Somewhere familiar? How is Denmark or Sweden or Germany familiar to Syria? If you flee because of war you don't care where you go, you just want to get away from the war. Moving to Denmark or UK or Sweden is a completely different operation. Keep in mind that most people are left in the refugee camps near the conflict. For every person we have to take into our welfare system we are basically not able to provide for 10 if not hundreds of others in the actual area of the conflict. The idea with being an actual refugee is that you are supposed to go back once the conflict is over and rebuild your own country. Thats not the plan of those who move so far away. You are trying to turn something with a lot of gray areas into som black/white moral thing were the only right thing to do is help. Sweden said just come everyone everyone warned them. Now they have closed the borders and is sending 80.000 back. This is because they didn't realize that Denmark did which is you can't just take people in large quantity with such different cultures without it undermining the country they are migrating to. It's easy to play the good person when you don't have responsibility for a country.

ThomPete 10y ago

What propaganda? There are many refugee camps near the actual conflict areas. It's not cheap to get to Denmark, so only those with most money can do it, which means the rest are left in the actual refugee camps near the area they fled from. All you need to do is go and check out the refugee camps in ex. Denmark and you will find it to be mostly men, many of them married which mean they left their wife and or children behind. Think about that for a moment.