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I do not wish harm for any innocent people. If they want they can get what we have in their own country, they need to make that possible though, if needed with

• k-mcgrady 10y ago
  >> "We make something good for our children and we -have- to share it with the whole world in our house?" You mean you got lucky to be born somewhere that isn't currently at war and now you feel entitled to what you were born into?
  • Freestyler_3 10y ago
    Yes, because it is my heritage. My family history made it happen, and many families around us. I am a child of my mother and not a random baby thrown on a random spot on earth, I carry the burden of maintaining or improving the quality of life for my kids. - Doesn't mean that I do not wish that everyone in this world can have what I have, and I support helping others. - There are ways to come here and join our culture, enrich yourself etc. It does require work though, and if you are not willing to do that then what are you really doing for yourself?
    • ris 10y ago
      You're stopping just short of claiming genetic superiority here.
      • cjhpufe 10y ago
        I read it as a preference for one's own cultural heritage, rather than anything to do with genetics or race.
        • ris 10y ago
          "Cultural heritage" is so often these days used as a dog whistle for, well, race, allowing people to make all kinds of exclusionary and divisive statements then do the ol' "What? Racism? Nothing I said had anything to do with race..."
    • k-mcgrady 10y ago
      And the only reason you are part of that family is luck. A Syrian refugee didn't choose to be born in Syria at a time when they would have to face civil war at some stage in their life. I think if the tables were turned are you had to flee to Syria your opinion would be vastly different.
      • Freestyler_3 10y ago
        We don't choose where we are born, nor do our parents generally. We do choose how where we are born looks. Are you saying we need to move all the people on earth away from every civil war and feel responsible for that? Are we preventing civil war in our own country by bringing aggressors in? - And also not all these people being rescued are victims of civil war, many actually just have economic reasons. Many act as economic anchor for the rest of their family (they get in then later the whole family can come in).
      • echaozh 10y ago
        Now, China is not in war, but, unluckily, as a Chinese, I have a lower living standard than a European, do I automatically get a chance to be let in Europe and enjoy whatever benefit the Europeans have? Since when has economics stopped working in Euroupe?
      • threatofrain 10y ago
        Why explain his heritage through luck? It's not like there's a repository of souls that's randomly drawn upon everytime someone has a baby. Luck doesn't describe a causal world with a bit of noise. It's because of the historical, and thus causal nature of the distribution of opportunity that we might have concern over the distribution. But if we re-rolled the dice, it's not like the asian couple from around the world is suddenly going to have a caucasian baby. You being born where you were was a confluence of factors operating in a causal framework with some noise. A re-roll isn't going to make you a Hilton family baby. Also, what a person is entitled to is a matter for society to determine. Society creates a construct that it feels is a wholesome lens or boundary, then it creates the structures to enforce it. There is no natural right to anything, including property, life, or even death (some states forbid you to choose your death). Society determines that property is useful, creates a structure to enforce it, and voila, you are now entitled to property.
    • mercer 10y ago
      The problem I see is that by invoking heritage/past, there's the thorny issue of Europe's sordid history of going to other cultures and exploiting them. Perhaps this gives 'us' even more responsibility to accept people into our culture. I don't necessarily agree with that logic myself, but then I also don't feel that I'm entitled to what my 'heritage' brought me. Personally my main concern with this whole issue is practicality. I'm concerned that a too-large influx of refugees (or economic migrants) might cause severe destabilization and further increase the growing right-wing sentiment.
    • pvaldes 10y ago
      Coffe is arabic, Potatoes from Peru, Tomatoes from South America, your canned tuna fish is from Ethiopia and other fishes from Chile. When you sip your Tea you take advantage of the work of Asian people and the glass that contains this tea is probably an Egyptian invention. Your books are made of paper developped by first time in China. Your weapons are useless without powder, developped by China. Oranges and Lemons are from Asia. Sweet corn and Chocolate is from Mexico. The first agriculture systems and production of bread was developped in Irak. Your eggs and fried chicken came from the asian rainforests. And you claim that "My family history made it happen" and "I do not wish that everyone in this world can have what I have"? Wow. You must have a really interesting family tree.
  • lumberjack 10y ago
    You could say literally the same thing about wealth. Are you saying people are not entitled to their wealth just because they happened to be born into it?
    • k-mcgrady 10y ago
      Personally I don't think they are entitled to it but my point was that the reason they have it is through luck of being born into it.
    • moopling 10y ago
      I think that is pretty obviously what he is saying.
  • dracht 10y ago
    I (me) am not a soul that was that "lucky enough" to be "born into" a body in a decent environment. I am the product of my ancestors. There is no luck or unfair process involved. I can't even really address the other part because it's so outrageous. Accusing someone of feeling entitled to the fruits of their labour and their parents' labour and their grandparents' labour? Repulsive. Will you let a homeless stranger sleep in your bed if one comes knocking on your door? Assuming you don't, why not? Just because you were lucky enough to be born in a situation where you can afford a house and not end up with a drug addiction, you feel like you are entitled to such luxuries?
  • fuj 10y ago
    oh give me a break. What does that has to do with what he said? Not wanting millions of people to come here demanding social benefits and whatnot does not make me or anyone else a bad person. Political refugees should be free to come, economical migrants need to follow the existing regulations.
  • zrhtz 10y ago
    My old neighbor died some time ago. He was bedridden for several years and his wife dedicated all her time and money to provide care at home. When she had to get him to the hospital for a routine checkup, she had to call an ambulance because there was no other way to get him there. The ambulance drivers couldn't guarantee her that she wouldn't have to pay the bills for his transport. Two people who paid taxes their whole life, two people who paid health insurance their whole life. Meanwhile ten thousands of refugees get these transports for free plus the state pays for interpreters during their hospital visit... tell me how this is fair without using your wishy washy talk about "entitledness" and "winning the birth lottery".
    • Robin_Message 10y ago
      The fact that an apparently civilised country can't work out how to provide free ambulances is completely orthogonal from whether or not we should meet our international obligations to care for and protect refugees.
    • k-mcgrady 10y ago
      We don't have to pay for ambulance services in the UK. Charging for that is insane. That's the part that isn't fair in your scenario.
• cup 10y ago
  > If they want they can get what we have in their own country, they need to make that possible though. Oh trust me, they're trying. Western imperialism and colonialism has a habit of getting in the way though.
  • Freestyler_3 10y ago
    The west is not guilt-free, but it is not at fault for everything. If that were the case we would have seen great improvement after the western colonies didn't get in their way. (or are we in the way of their great victory in killing all others?)
    • mercer 10y ago
      I do agree that we're not at fault for everything. But expecting a post-colonial society to just do well after a long period of colonial abuse is a bit like expecting a person who is depressed or severely insecure as a result of childhood abuse/bullying/whatever to 'just get over it'. This is not how humans or societies work.
  • lumberjack 10y ago
    Their infighting does not help either. If they were united as a people it wouldn't be so easy to outsiders to meddle in their affairs.
• cjhpufe 10y ago
  I agree. The more Syrian migrants we let in, the more our countries become like Syria due to Syrian cultural impact. I don't really want to live in New Syria, so I'd rather they stay out. Or to put it another way, I have no desire whatsoever to see Islamic cultures take root in my country any more than they already have done, with their built-in homophobia and misogyny, and other such problems. We've worked hard to build a more equal society, and letting in those whose culture disregards that is a threat. We can, and should, help them in their own country. But we have to do so while protecting our own too. (Throwaway account because complaining about cultural incompatibility tends to be regarded as 'racist', even though it has nothing to do with race.)