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They are specifically talking about "sending a message that caring is optional". Not quite the same thing. Going on your second question, there are good argume

by igk 10y ago

They are specifically talking about "sending a message that caring is optional". Not quite the same thing. Going on your second question, there are good arguments on why not being charitable, solidaric, or however you want to call it is immoral and shortsighted. The strongest for me are 1) if you accept human dignity as an inalienable right (one of the tenets of humanism) then you have already created an ethics in which you either care or are immmoral 2) more pragmatically, by not being charitable and solidarity, you imply a) that the world has winners and losers,b)with the winners having the right to treat the losers poorly,c)that you are a winner and always will be. That to me is delusional and suboptimal, since at any point a blood clot could render you helpless.

raverbashing 10y ago
> on why not being charitable, solidaric, or however you want to call it is immoral and shortsighted Which is a very nice strawman > if you accept human dignity as an inalienable right (one of the tenets of humanism) then you have already created an ethics in which you either care or are immmoral Nice way in making people guilty and only seeing black and white. You are as intolerant as ISIS, you're just not killing people for it > a) that the world has winners and losers,b)with the winners having the right to treat the losers poorly,c)that you are a winner and always will be Again, you see the world in pure black and white. > That to me is delusional and suboptimal Yes, see the above point
- johncolanduoni 10y ago
  > Which is a very nice strawman I'm curious as to what is a strawman in that statement? You are arguing charity should be optional, he said "not being charitable". Where in that sentence is he misrepresenting the position he is claiming is immoral and shortsighted? Is the word solidaric that much of a sticking point? I've found quite a few arguments against allowing the influx of migrants from the middle east to continue unabated to be at the very least reasonable (I have family in Greece that are seeing it first hand), but none of them start and end with "black and white", with the middle filled with comparisons to ISIS. If you have something to say about the actual issue, I'd love to hear it.
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    My opinion on the issue is in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11927994 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11927994 I don't see your point. Maybe not exactly a strawman, but certainly a false dichotomy I also believe that those who think not being charitable is immoral and shortsighted should be actually helping instead of commenting on news items
golergka 10y ago
Being immoral and being unlwful are different things though.

by igk 10y ago

raverbashing 10y ago

> on why not being charitable, solidaric, or however you want to call it is immoral and shortsighted Which is a very nice strawman > if you accept human dignity as an inalienable right (one of the tenets of humanism) then you have already created an ethics in which you either care or are immmoral Nice way in making people guilty and only seeing black and white. You are as intolerant as ISIS, you're just not killing people for it > a) that the world has winners and losers,b)with the winners having the right to treat the losers poorly,c)that you are a winner and always will be Again, you see the world in pure black and white. > That to me is delusional and suboptimal Yes, see the above point

johncolanduoni 10y ago
> Which is a very nice strawman I'm curious as to what is a strawman in that statement? You are arguing charity should be optional, he said "not being charitable". Where in that sentence is he misrepresenting the position he is claiming is immoral and shortsighted? Is the word solidaric that much of a sticking point? I've found quite a few arguments against allowing the influx of migrants from the middle east to continue unabated to be at the very least reasonable (I have family in Greece that are seeing it first hand), but none of them start and end with "black and white", with the middle filled with comparisons to ISIS. If you have something to say about the actual issue, I'd love to hear it.
- raverbashing 10y ago
  My opinion on the issue is in this comment: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11927994 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11927994 I don't see your point. Maybe not exactly a strawman, but certainly a false dichotomy I also believe that those who think not being charitable is immoral and shortsighted should be actually helping instead of commenting on news items

golergka 10y ago

Being immoral and being unlwful are different things though.