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I can't be done with doing a 'lottery' to work in the US. I got offered a senior position (distinguished engineer) with a large San Jose networking vendor, and

I can't be done with doing a 'lottery' to work in the US. I got offered a senior position (distinguished engineer) with a large San Jose networking vendor, and looking into the H-1B circus put me off. Perhaps when I was freshly graduated I might have tolerated it, but as someone with a family and lots of very good opportunities already here in Europe (and being able to re-locate with minimal fuss to another EU country (unless we vote ourselves out)), its a nobrainer to stay here. Add to that the whole potential deportation if you were to lose your job, and an average family home in the valley costing well above $1 million, nah, I think I will leave it thanks. I guess the above is why so few Europeans comes to the US now, and 88% of H-1B's are from India.

raverbashing 10y ago
> and 88% of H-1B's are from India. I'm sure Tata abusing the system has nothing to do with it
- smnscu 10y ago
  That indeed is the problem, not the system itself. (if you want to continue with the cheap sarcasm) I see this pattern so many times in the US, blaming parties involved instead of the original wrongdoers (e.g. "Facebook and Google are so evil", yet the NSA and USG are out of the argument completely). That even a fairly educated crowd such as the one on HN falls for these cheap tactics is a great proof that in fact this technique works great for manipulating masses of people. (bonus example: the broken bipartisan and electoral college systems – all the talk is about how horrible Hillary and Trump are, instead of maybe taking steps to fixing the system itself | bonus video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k)
  - raverbashing 10y ago
    I fail to see your point, though of course the abuse is allowed by the system. Compare numbers of H1Bs in relation to number of employees and see how Tata compares with others Not to mention most "Java engineers" are a dime a dozen
chrisper 10y ago
>Perhaps when I was freshly graduated I might have tolerated it, but as someone with a family and lots of very good opportunities already here in Europe (and being able to re-locate with minimal fuss to another EU country (unless we vote ourselves out)), its a nobrainer to stay here. Add to that the whole potential deportation if you were to lose your job, and an average family home in the valley costing well above $1 million, nah, I think I will leave it thanks. This is my train of thought as well. I am here in the US on a student visa about to graduate in spring. Originally, I was thinking about going the H1B route, but the more and more I learn about it, the less I want to bother with it. I have a EU passport, so I guess I am less doomed than maybe an Indian or so. The problem with H1B is that you can't build yourself a life here. How can you create a family and buy a house if you have to worry constantly about deportation? No thanks. Europe might have a lower pay, but I am willing to pay that price for a peace of mind. Plus all my family is in Europe.

raverbashing 10y ago

> and 88% of H-1B's are from India. I'm sure Tata abusing the system has nothing to do with it

smnscu 10y ago
That indeed is the problem, not the system itself. (if you want to continue with the cheap sarcasm) I see this pattern so many times in the US, blaming parties involved instead of the original wrongdoers (e.g. "Facebook and Google are so evil", yet the NSA and USG are out of the argument completely). That even a fairly educated crowd such as the one on HN falls for these cheap tactics is a great proof that in fact this technique works great for manipulating masses of people. (bonus example: the broken bipartisan and electoral college systems – all the talk is about how horrible Hillary and Trump are, instead of maybe taking steps to fixing the system itself | bonus video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7wC42HgLA4k)
- raverbashing 10y ago
  I fail to see your point, though of course the abuse is allowed by the system. Compare numbers of H1Bs in relation to number of employees and see how Tata compares with others Not to mention most "Java engineers" are a dime a dozen

chrisper 10y ago

>Perhaps when I was freshly graduated I might have tolerated it, but as someone with a family and lots of very good opportunities already here in Europe (and being able to re-locate with minimal fuss to another EU country (unless we vote ourselves out)), its a nobrainer to stay here. Add to that the whole potential deportation if you were to lose your job, and an average family home in the valley costing well above $1 million, nah, I think I will leave it thanks. This is my train of thought as well. I am here in the US on a student visa about to graduate in spring. Originally, I was thinking about going the H1B route, but the more and more I learn about it, the less I want to bother with it. I have a EU passport, so I guess I am less doomed than maybe an Indian or so. The problem with H1B is that you can't build yourself a life here. How can you create a family and buy a house if you have to worry constantly about deportation? No thanks. Europe might have a lower pay, but I am willing to pay that price for a peace of mind. Plus all my family is in Europe.