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> does anyone think that could be made better with socialism? Wasn't it already made better with socialism? Do you not believe that things like ARPANET signifi

> does anyone think that could be made better with socialism? Wasn't it already made better with socialism? Do you not believe that things like ARPANET significantly contributed to the successes we have today?

WalterBright 10y ago
No, I don't. I was into computers in the 70's. The first thing anyone did with two computers was figure out a way to connect them together. A smorgasbord of technologies emerged - Fidonet, BIX, CompuServe, Prodigy, MCImail, RBBS, etc. Heck, even I invented one (it wasn't very good, although I did call it "web" (!)). The notion that the internet would not exist without the Arpanet protocol is pedantically true, but we'd have something else just like it but with a different protocol. It's like saying if engineers had wheels and engines laying around everywhere, nobody would have thought of connecting them together and making a car without a government grant. (I can tell you for a fact that the first thing any engineer does with an engine and wheels is find a way to put them together!) The Arpanet also kinda went nowhere until the restrictions on commercial use of it were lifted.
- Chathamization 10y ago
  > It's like saying if engineers had wheels and engines laying around everywhere, nobody would have thought of connecting them together and making a car without a government grant. But they didn't. I mean, if government projects lag behind private sector projects, why didn't we have ARPANET going nowhere while some private sector project jumped ahead? Even if you think we would have gotten their eventually (debatable), we can at the very least say that the government project got us there sooner.
  - WalterBright 10y ago
    As I said, the first thought anyone with two computers had was connecting them together. It's not a big step from that to inventing yet another protocol, which happened all the time. There wasn't anything miraculous about it. Local networks run on the Ethernet protocol, developed by Xerox, and shows that an excellent network protocol does not require a government grant. And without Ethernet, there would have been Token Ring by IBM, or Token Bus by GM.

WalterBright 10y ago

No, I don't. I was into computers in the 70's. The first thing anyone did with two computers was figure out a way to connect them together. A smorgasbord of technologies emerged - Fidonet, BIX, CompuServe, Prodigy, MCImail, RBBS, etc. Heck, even I invented one (it wasn't very good, although I did call it "web" (!)). The notion that the internet would not exist without the Arpanet protocol is pedantically true, but we'd have something else just like it but with a different protocol. It's like saying if engineers had wheels and engines laying around everywhere, nobody would have thought of connecting them together and making a car without a government grant. (I can tell you for a fact that the first thing any engineer does with an engine and wheels is find a way to put them together!) The Arpanet also kinda went nowhere until the restrictions on commercial use of it were lifted.

Chathamization 10y ago
> It's like saying if engineers had wheels and engines laying around everywhere, nobody would have thought of connecting them together and making a car without a government grant. But they didn't. I mean, if government projects lag behind private sector projects, why didn't we have ARPANET going nowhere while some private sector project jumped ahead? Even if you think we would have gotten their eventually (debatable), we can at the very least say that the government project got us there sooner.
- WalterBright 10y ago
  As I said, the first thought anyone with two computers had was connecting them together. It's not a big step from that to inventing yet another protocol, which happened all the time. There wasn't anything miraculous about it. Local networks run on the Ethernet protocol, developed by Xerox, and shows that an excellent network protocol does not require a government grant. And without Ethernet, there would have been Token Ring by IBM, or Token Bus by GM.