this. when i evolved from the procedural mess that were tutorials and books, even, i watched most other programmers and/or collegues staying behind. embedded ph

this. when i evolved from the procedural mess that were tutorials and books, even, i watched most other programmers and/or collegues staying behind. embedded php worked for them. little bit js here, css there... up to this day people just don't evolve from php. and then there's the other extreme. the overly scientific who brings all sorts of crap into the language or the frameworks. it's justsuch a shit show.