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There are at least a few cases of hard evidence of UFOs, as in, "unidentified flying object" with no plausible physical explanation and observed by many trustwo

There are at least a few cases of hard evidence of UFOs, as in, "unidentified flying object" with no plausible physical explanation and observed by many trustworthy witnesses. They could of course be explained by many other causes than little green men, and I personally don't think there are little green men, but we don't know what these were. In particular, these ones I find very interesting: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japan_Air_Lines_flight_1628_... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_O%27Hare_International_Airport_UFO_sighting https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2006_O%27Hare_International_... https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-Landrum_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash-Landrum_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manises_UFO_incident https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manises_UFO_incident So I don't think lack of evidence is the reason for no scientific effort, but rather, how would you conduct science based on that evidence? And actually, some "UFO-type" phenomena are under scientific investigation, such as the Hessdalen Lights: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessdalen_lights https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessdalen_lights

drjesusphd 10y ago
Talking about UFOs strictly as such is besides the point and dodging the audacity of the claim. This conversation is about aliens. Until evidence arises of aliens, not "unidentified flying objects", it has no business making it through peer review as a resolution of the Fermi paradox.
NetStrikeForce 10y ago
What's the relation between UFOs and aliens? If you have evidence of one or more UFOs how are you relating them to aliens? Why not just magic or secret super heroes?
- semi-extrinsic 10y ago
  GP post was talking about aliens and UFOs, and parent post claimed there is no evidence (thus no science). I was pointing out that we do have relatively credible evidence for UFOs (but not aliens), i.e. lack of evidence is not why there is no scientific papers on the topic of UFOs. I think the most likely explanation of most of these are classified aircraft of some sort.
- chmike 10y ago
  There are plenty of evidence provided you don't reject them a priori. 1. there are plenty witness accounts reporting non human beings seen in proximity of UFOs. 2. Betty Hill map (abduction case) matches our solar system and shows a ring around jupiter witch was only discovered many years after the drawing was made by voyager. 3. Behavior and flying capabilities of UFOs far beyond human technology capability. 4. Inductive research on possible propulsion principle made by Prof. Meessen led to a theory where Pulsed Electro Magnetic Propulsion would be used. The author derived an innovative mechanism to produce very intense oscillating EM fields using only supra conducting surface on the object. This supraconductivity must work at high temperature which humans don't master yet. This supraconductive shell is also protecting living bodies and devices on bord from the intense external EM field. 5. Some photos of UFOs show black rings around the object which might result from polarization of light resulting from the very high EM field which humans can't produce. This data allows to infer properties of the EM field. 6. Compass rotation reported on military ships while a UFO was seen. A study by Prof. Meessen explained that this is produced by oscillating EM fields in low frequency range. Considering the estimated UFO distance the magnetic field must have been of many Tesla. Humans can't produce such oscillating magnetic intensities. A referree rejected the submited article presenting this study result partly because this EM was too strong in his opinion and not feasible. Etc. Etc. Of course there is no proof. But there is plenty evidence and now we have at least one theory that can be tested in a lab. The described propulsion method is still unreachable to humans because we don't master supraconductivity at high temperature, but we can now test experimentally the validity of the theory. Ufology has been censored for many years as research topic with the consequence that very few people are correctly informed on it. They claim there is no evidence but objectively they should say they don't know about the evidences and scientific research on this topic. Skeptics do a lot of noise to hide the facts and work. My knowledge of the UFO phenomenon is different as I'm very close to Prof. Auguste Meessen. Here are the articles presenting his theory on the PEMP [1](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Propulsion.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Propulsion.pdf) [2](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Evidence.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Evidence.pdf) [3](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Production.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Production.pdf).
  - effingwewt 10y ago

drjesusphd 10y ago

Talking about UFOs strictly as such is besides the point and dodging the audacity of the claim. This conversation is about aliens. Until evidence arises of aliens, not "unidentified flying objects", it has no business making it through peer review as a resolution of the Fermi paradox.

NetStrikeForce 10y ago

What's the relation between UFOs and aliens? If you have evidence of one or more UFOs how are you relating them to aliens? Why not just magic or secret super heroes?

semi-extrinsic 10y ago
GP post was talking about aliens and UFOs, and parent post claimed there is no evidence (thus no science). I was pointing out that we do have relatively credible evidence for UFOs (but not aliens), i.e. lack of evidence is not why there is no scientific papers on the topic of UFOs. I think the most likely explanation of most of these are classified aircraft of some sort.
chmike 10y ago
There are plenty of evidence provided you don't reject them a priori. 1. there are plenty witness accounts reporting non human beings seen in proximity of UFOs. 2. Betty Hill map (abduction case) matches our solar system and shows a ring around jupiter witch was only discovered many years after the drawing was made by voyager. 3. Behavior and flying capabilities of UFOs far beyond human technology capability. 4. Inductive research on possible propulsion principle made by Prof. Meessen led to a theory where Pulsed Electro Magnetic Propulsion would be used. The author derived an innovative mechanism to produce very intense oscillating EM fields using only supra conducting surface on the object. This supraconductivity must work at high temperature which humans don't master yet. This supraconductive shell is also protecting living bodies and devices on bord from the intense external EM field. 5. Some photos of UFOs show black rings around the object which might result from polarization of light resulting from the very high EM field which humans can't produce. This data allows to infer properties of the EM field. 6. Compass rotation reported on military ships while a UFO was seen. A study by Prof. Meessen explained that this is produced by oscillating EM fields in low frequency range. Considering the estimated UFO distance the magnetic field must have been of many Tesla. Humans can't produce such oscillating magnetic intensities. A referree rejected the submited article presenting this study result partly because this EM was too strong in his opinion and not feasible. Etc. Etc. Of course there is no proof. But there is plenty evidence and now we have at least one theory that can be tested in a lab. The described propulsion method is still unreachable to humans because we don't master supraconductivity at high temperature, but we can now test experimentally the validity of the theory. Ufology has been censored for many years as research topic with the consequence that very few people are correctly informed on it. They claim there is no evidence but objectively they should say they don't know about the evidences and scientific research on this topic. Skeptics do a lot of noise to hide the facts and work. My knowledge of the UFO phenomenon is different as I'm very close to Prof. Auguste Meessen. Here are the articles presenting his theory on the PEMP [1](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Propulsion.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Propulsion.pdf) [2](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Evidence.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Evidence.pdf) [3](http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Production.pdf http://www.meessen.net/AMeessen/Production.pdf).
- effingwewt 10y ago