>"Because they wanted/didn't want to do it" isn't where the trail of inquiry ends, btw. Absolutely this. I think a lot of educators today understand that they

>"Because they wanted/didn't want to do it" isn't where the trail of inquiry ends, btw. Absolutely this. I think a lot of educators today understand that they should encourage diverse students, but they still exhibit a variation on the old "X hours of homework isn't that bad" where they ignore that their class isn't your whole academic life. Socrates may be a fantastic ally himself, but it's very likely some of his students' other teachers aren't, so it's completely reasonable for them to fall out of STEM "despite the support."