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Couldn't this come down more to men being conditioned to be more assertive and women being conditioned to de-escalate?

sp332 10y ago
That wouldn't explain why men were assigned different jobs than women. ...sexist infrastructure was in place that kept female interns shuffling papers while their oftentimes less experienced male counterparts had legitimate “engineering” assignments.
- loco5niner 10y ago
  Actually, it would. Example: "Hey boss, why wasn't I assigned to X project?" is something someone more assertive would say.
  - eevilspock 10y ago
    When women do that they get labeled "bitch".
    - loco5niner 10y ago
      Foul language aside, I believe it's possible to make my previously mentioned assertion in either an offensive, or a non-offensive manner.
  - sp332 10y ago
    If the women have to push back because the men got better assignments to begin with, that means the sexist behavior already happened. Women shouldn't have to play damage control constantly.
    - loco5niner 10y ago
      > If the women have to push back because the men got better assignments to begin with That is quite the assumption. What if we consider the possibility that they were initially given assignments equally? Then, because some pushed back more than others, they ended up getting better assignments the next time around (and the next, and the next).
- wvenable 10y ago
  Assuming the premise is valid, it would explain the differences. Everyone has to do crap work for time to time. I try and spread it around as evenly as possible to my team (which is a mix of men and women). But if one group is seemingly alright with that work and another group is loudly asking for better work and complaining -- it's easy to see how that would factor in. I try and ignore all that and just create variety based on whatever the last project was. So if someone just got off a 7 month project, they'll be doing small tasks for a while. If someone had to create 25 boring reports last month, they get to do use some new technology. It doesn't matter who it was.
  - rarec 10y ago
    As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.
loco5niner 10y ago
Or rather, men just by nature being more assertive.
- snovv_crash 10y ago
  I've got some Amazonians who disagree with you. Perhaps the bell curve is slightly towards the male side in terms of baseline, but I'd argue that the majority is conditioning.
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  - loco5niner 10y ago
    I would certainly agree that there are outliers in each gender. I believe the bell curve is _much_ less slight than you.

sp332 10y ago

That wouldn't explain why men were assigned different jobs than women. ...sexist infrastructure was in place that kept female interns shuffling papers while their oftentimes less experienced male counterparts had legitimate “engineering” assignments.

loco5niner 10y ago
Actually, it would. Example: "Hey boss, why wasn't I assigned to X project?" is something someone more assertive would say.
- eevilspock 10y ago
  When women do that they get labeled "bitch".
  - loco5niner 10y ago
    Foul language aside, I believe it's possible to make my previously mentioned assertion in either an offensive, or a non-offensive manner.
- sp332 10y ago
  If the women have to push back because the men got better assignments to begin with, that means the sexist behavior already happened. Women shouldn't have to play damage control constantly.
  - loco5niner 10y ago
    > If the women have to push back because the men got better assignments to begin with That is quite the assumption. What if we consider the possibility that they were initially given assignments equally? Then, because some pushed back more than others, they ended up getting better assignments the next time around (and the next, and the next).
wvenable 10y ago
Assuming the premise is valid, it would explain the differences. Everyone has to do crap work for time to time. I try and spread it around as evenly as possible to my team (which is a mix of men and women). But if one group is seemingly alright with that work and another group is loudly asking for better work and complaining -- it's easy to see how that would factor in. I try and ignore all that and just create variety based on whatever the last project was. So if someone just got off a 7 month project, they'll be doing small tasks for a while. If someone had to create 25 boring reports last month, they get to do use some new technology. It doesn't matter who it was.
- rarec 10y ago
  As the saying goes, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

loco5niner 10y ago

Or rather, men just by nature being more assertive.

snovv_crash 10y ago
I've got some Amazonians who disagree with you. Perhaps the bell curve is slightly towards the male side in terms of baseline, but I'd argue that the majority is conditioning.
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- loco5niner 10y ago
  I would certainly agree that there are outliers in each gender. I believe the bell curve is _much_ less slight than you.