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> Grudda sentenced Hanning, who was 23 when he started two years of work at the concentration camp in 1942, to five years jail for being an accessory to murder

> Grudda sentenced Hanning, who was 23 when he started two years of work at the concentration camp in 1942, to five years jail for being an accessory to murder of 170,000 people. How is 15 minutes of jail time per murder just? Can the collective HN wisdom also help me understand what is a 23 years old (as he was in 1942) supposed to do in the situation and stop the atrocities?

onion2k 10y ago
Can the collective HN wisdom also help me understand what is a 23 years old (as he was in 1942) supposed to do in the situation and stop the atrocities? There's nothing he could have done to stop the atrocities, but he could have said no to having a part in them himself. That would have meant facing the death penalty for subversion[1], but there were Germans who did say no, and were executed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrkraftzersetzung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrkraftzersetzung
- mmrezaie 10y ago
  But wouldn't the decision between life and death take some of the responsibility of that person. For example basing on a fact that I have been forced or I would have been killed. I am just curious! Also, it is amazing how words in Deutsch become so long. It is hard for my eyes to detect the parts.
- creshal 10y ago
  The vast majority who refused were, in fact, not executed: http://imgur.com/T0gHUTh http://imgur.com/T0gHUTh
creshal 10y ago
> How is 15 minutes of jail time per murder just? Justice isn't revenge. And to be honest, for a 94 year old, 5 years is effectively life long. (Germany has none of that "30,000 years prison term" silliness.) > Can the collective HN wisdom also help me understand what is a 23 years old (as he was in 1942) supposed to do in the situation and stop the atrocities? Not participating would be a good start (the SS was a volunteer organization at that point). Trying to get people out of it even better. For some reason it's not particularly well-known, but the German populace did manage to sabotage one of the Nazis' genocide: Aktion T4 was scaled down and partially cancelled after broad resistance formed at every level of society and administration. The holocaust wouldn't have been nearly as deadly if people had resisted more.

onion2k 10y ago

Can the collective HN wisdom also help me understand what is a 23 years old (as he was in 1942) supposed to do in the situation and stop the atrocities? There's nothing he could have done to stop the atrocities, but he could have said no to having a part in them himself. That would have meant facing the death penalty for subversion[1], but there were Germans who did say no, and were executed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrkraftzersetzung https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrkraftzersetzung

mmrezaie 10y ago
But wouldn't the decision between life and death take some of the responsibility of that person. For example basing on a fact that I have been forced or I would have been killed. I am just curious! Also, it is amazing how words in Deutsch become so long. It is hard for my eyes to detect the parts.
creshal 10y ago
The vast majority who refused were, in fact, not executed: http://imgur.com/T0gHUTh http://imgur.com/T0gHUTh

creshal 10y ago

> How is 15 minutes of jail time per murder just? Justice isn't revenge. And to be honest, for a 94 year old, 5 years is effectively life long. (Germany has none of that "30,000 years prison term" silliness.) > Can the collective HN wisdom also help me understand what is a 23 years old (as he was in 1942) supposed to do in the situation and stop the atrocities? Not participating would be a good start (the SS was a volunteer organization at that point). Trying to get people out of it even better. For some reason it's not particularly well-known, but the German populace did manage to sabotage one of the Nazis' genocide: Aktion T4 was scaled down and partially cancelled after broad resistance formed at every level of society and administration. The holocaust wouldn't have been nearly as deadly if people had resisted more.