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If you look at this as a $6000 or so discount on a new Tesla, it actually seems like a pretty good deal. A 75kWh battery pack that is limited to 60kWh is bette

If you look at this as a $6000 or so discount on a new Tesla, it actually seems like a pretty good deal. A 75kWh battery pack that is limited to 60kWh is better than having a real 60kWh pack. The extra over-capacity means that it won't be charging to it's true 100% capacity, and not discharging to 0%. That puts less wear on the cells, and means faster charging. (The sweet spot for charging is in the middle of the battery's capacity - charging speed is slower if the battery is near 0% or near 100%.)

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dangrossman 10y ago
This means a 2016 S60 will still have 208 miles of EPA rated range when it's off-lease or up for resale in 2019, whereas a 2013 S60 most likely has a smaller range than when it was new. Tesla cars will depreciate more slowly, with resale prices closer to original MSRP. That's all good news for their leasing program, their resale value guarantee program, and their certified pre-owned program. There are a lot of upsides to reducing battery wear. Battery wear is a big reason my 2012 Nissan Leaf is worth less than 1/3rd of its original MSRP.
- ams6110 10y ago
  Most 2012 cars are not worth more than a third of the original MSRP, especially if you're looking at typical trade-in value. If I were in the market for a car right now I'd be looking for about a 2008 model year. All the significant depreciation has already been realized and you can find some real values in good condition with a lot of life left if you shop around a bit.
akira2501 10y ago
> A 75kWh battery pack that is limited to 60kWh is better than having a real 60kWh pack. Why? Wouldn't the weight reduction be useful? > If you look at this as a $6000 or so discount on a new Tesla, it actually seems like a pretty good deal. Yes.. but the whole battery is still being used, and is still in a position to require service. It could be the case that I have a 60kW tesla, but still need to pay the full 75kW repair price, because of the way they structured this.
- Reason077 10y ago
  Good point about the weight. 15kWh means an extra 75kgs or so of (arguably) dead weight. Servicing costs aren't really something you need to worry about, though. Tesla battery packs are warrantied for 8 years. After that time, battery costs will have greatly reduced and there may even be cheap aftermarket replacement packs available.
Apofis 10y ago
That's fucking ridiculous. Putting a soft-lock on hardware I already own is ridiculous and then charging me $9000 for something that costs Tesla nothing extra is fucking absurd. I'm really shocked more people aren't fucking pissed about this bullshit. This is the first thing I've heard coming out of Tesla's court that really put a bad taste in my mouth.

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dangrossman 10y ago

This means a 2016 S60 will still have 208 miles of EPA rated range when it's off-lease or up for resale in 2019, whereas a 2013 S60 most likely has a smaller range than when it was new. Tesla cars will depreciate more slowly, with resale prices closer to original MSRP. That's all good news for their leasing program, their resale value guarantee program, and their certified pre-owned program. There are a lot of upsides to reducing battery wear. Battery wear is a big reason my 2012 Nissan Leaf is worth less than 1/3rd of its original MSRP.

ams6110 10y ago
Most 2012 cars are not worth more than a third of the original MSRP, especially if you're looking at typical trade-in value. If I were in the market for a car right now I'd be looking for about a 2008 model year. All the significant depreciation has already been realized and you can find some real values in good condition with a lot of life left if you shop around a bit.

akira2501 10y ago

> A 75kWh battery pack that is limited to 60kWh is better than having a real 60kWh pack. Why? Wouldn't the weight reduction be useful? > If you look at this as a $6000 or so discount on a new Tesla, it actually seems like a pretty good deal. Yes.. but the whole battery is still being used, and is still in a position to require service. It could be the case that I have a 60kW tesla, but still need to pay the full 75kW repair price, because of the way they structured this.

Reason077 10y ago
Good point about the weight. 15kWh means an extra 75kgs or so of (arguably) dead weight. Servicing costs aren't really something you need to worry about, though. Tesla battery packs are warrantied for 8 years. After that time, battery costs will have greatly reduced and there may even be cheap aftermarket replacement packs available.

Apofis 10y ago

That's fucking ridiculous. Putting a soft-lock on hardware I already own is ridiculous and then charging me $9000 for something that costs Tesla nothing extra is fucking absurd. I'm really shocked more people aren't fucking pissed about this bullshit. This is the first thing I've heard coming out of Tesla's court that really put a bad taste in my mouth.