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There's a pretty big difference between the_donald banning people disagreeing and admins censoring /r/all. Reddit's biggest problem is abusive moderators censor

There's a pretty big difference between the_donald banning people disagreeing and admins censoring /r/all. Reddit's biggest problem is abusive moderators censoring users of a community, or running a subreddit in a way contrary to how the vast majority of users want to use it. That isn't really the case with the_donald. That subreddit has behaved in this way from the very start, and their bans over anything anti-Trump is sort of part of the joke/culture of the subreddit as a community. The vast majority of people in that sub want anti-Trump people banned. It's not a place for real discussion and the bans are pretty much just done for laughs. It's an example of a subreddit working well because of the moderators, when it's usually a subreddit working decently despite moderators stifling discussion and pushing their own agendas. Additionally, bans on reddit are a joke. An account takes 5 seconds to make and even if admins want to IP ban you, it doesn't accomplish much. Censoring the most viewed listing of content on the entire site has a real, meaningful impact.

labrador 10y ago
I agree with you in regards to r/news moderators acting badly recently, but does reddit or it's users need or want 25 r/The_Donald links on the front page? I don't think so. Reddit has a right to exert some editorial control.
- whamlastxmas 10y ago
  Considering how overwhelmingly they are upvoted, yes, it does seem like they do want that. Reddit has the legal right to do whatever the fuck they want, but they are censoring a platform built for discussion, and people are going to leave because of it.
  - d0mine 10y ago
    It doesn't look like genuine upvotes. r/The_Donald reminds me 4chan but with a paid agenda to elect Clinton.
    - jakeogh 10y ago
      Trump got more GOP primary votes than and GOP candidate in history. It should surprise nobody that the sub(dom)reddit is incredibly popular. http://img.ccrd.clearchannel.com/media/mlib/15172/2016/06/default/gop_primary_popular_vote_0_1465386905.jpg http://img.ccrd.clearchannel.com/media/mlib/15172/2016/06/de...
      - d0mine 10y ago
        If Reddit were representative of voters then Sanders would be the Democratic nominee. Are you trying to tell that r/The_Donald reflects genuine views of Trumps supporters and moreover it reflects the views of the majority of Reddit? r/The_Donald is the textbook example of the Internet trolling -- as in you literally can write a book on how to become a troll using its submissions as the educational material. Though usually trolls are not hired guns and have less malicious motivation (the usual motivation being to induce an emotional response for your own amusement).
        jakeogh 10y ago
        If you don't think the vast majority of people there are real and genuine supporters then you don't understand this political movement. To you it looks like a bunch of trolls, but that's expected, you fundamentally disagree and/or do not understand their POV. As is so common, you cite no examples. Sure there are trolls, there are entire sub's devoted to trolling r/the_donald. For example, they don't like Saudi Arabia. Do you? Should we allow one of the most oppressive and rich governments on the planet influence our news and politics?
        d0mine 10y ago
        I don't mean "troll" as an insult here. I mean it as the description of the activity that is not about opinions it is about facts. Usually there could be a gray area where it is not clear whether some online activity can be classified as trolling -- r/The_Donald is not one these cases -- the signal is very clear. You could use any common definition e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29 Though some of the submissions might be genuine (given the demographic) due to Poe's law (extreme views and their parody are hard to distinguish) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law
wcummings 10y ago
>Reddit's biggest problem is abusive moderators censoring users of a community This is not even close to reddit's biggest problem, unless you know something I don't.
- whamlastxmas 10y ago
  What would you argue the biggest problem is?

labrador 10y ago

I agree with you in regards to r/news moderators acting badly recently, but does reddit or it's users need or want 25 r/The_Donald links on the front page? I don't think so. Reddit has a right to exert some editorial control.

whamlastxmas 10y ago
Considering how overwhelmingly they are upvoted, yes, it does seem like they do want that. Reddit has the legal right to do whatever the fuck they want, but they are censoring a platform built for discussion, and people are going to leave because of it.
- d0mine 10y ago
  It doesn't look like genuine upvotes. r/The_Donald reminds me 4chan but with a paid agenda to elect Clinton.
  - jakeogh 10y ago
    Trump got more GOP primary votes than and GOP candidate in history. It should surprise nobody that the sub(dom)reddit is incredibly popular. http://img.ccrd.clearchannel.com/media/mlib/15172/2016/06/default/gop_primary_popular_vote_0_1465386905.jpg http://img.ccrd.clearchannel.com/media/mlib/15172/2016/06/de...
    - d0mine 10y ago
      If Reddit were representative of voters then Sanders would be the Democratic nominee. Are you trying to tell that r/The_Donald reflects genuine views of Trumps supporters and moreover it reflects the views of the majority of Reddit? r/The_Donald is the textbook example of the Internet trolling -- as in you literally can write a book on how to become a troll using its submissions as the educational material. Though usually trolls are not hired guns and have less malicious motivation (the usual motivation being to induce an emotional response for your own amusement).
      - jakeogh 10y ago
        If you don't think the vast majority of people there are real and genuine supporters then you don't understand this political movement. To you it looks like a bunch of trolls, but that's expected, you fundamentally disagree and/or do not understand their POV. As is so common, you cite no examples. Sure there are trolls, there are entire sub's devoted to trolling r/the_donald. For example, they don't like Saudi Arabia. Do you? Should we allow one of the most oppressive and rich governments on the planet influence our news and politics?
        d0mine 10y ago
        I don't mean "troll" as an insult here. I mean it as the description of the activity that is not about opinions it is about facts. Usually there could be a gray area where it is not clear whether some online activity can be classified as trolling -- r/The_Donald is not one these cases -- the signal is very clear. You could use any common definition e.g., https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_%28Internet%29 Though some of the submissions might be genuine (given the demographic) due to Poe's law (extreme views and their parody are hard to distinguish) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poe%27s_law

wcummings 10y ago

>Reddit's biggest problem is abusive moderators censoring users of a community This is not even close to reddit's biggest problem, unless you know something I don't.

whamlastxmas 10y ago
What would you argue the biggest problem is?