> Simply the act of postulating, of conceiving, of that kind of zombie universe is enough to strongly suggest that consciousness is something outside of the phy

> Simply the act of postulating, of conceiving, of that kind of zombie universe is enough to strongly suggest that consciousness is something outside of the physical. I don't think it is. You can conceive of a Penrose stair, but you can only believe it is physically possible if you don't understand it. We already know we don't really understand consciousness, yet, so I don't think you can draw conclusions from the possibility of imagining it to be one way or the other.