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Still can't believe they haven't fixed the maximize the window functionality. Windows has so much better window management. When I saw this title I thought "fi

Still can't believe they haven't fixed the maximize the window functionality. Windows has so much better window management. When I saw this title I thought "finally" but it appears that I'm going to be disappointed yet again.

starquake 10y ago
I think they didn't fix it because they didn't think it's a problem. I understand it might be hard to get used to if you're used to using applications fullscreen. But when you use a 27" iMac you kinda get why it works that way. I just have a lot of big windows and actually never want to maximize any of them. Partly overlapping windows also makes it easy to switch between them. So it actually suits the way I work quite well. As I see it: Apple has a vision on how you are supposed to work with a computer. You can only change it slightly. Maybe you like it, maybe you don't. I generally like to adapt the ideas a UI or OS is using. As long as it feels coherent and well thought out.
- staticelf 10y ago
  Well on my main computer I am running a 34" screen with 3440x1440 in resolution. But when on a MacBook you really want to be able to maximize the window. Also, on my large screen, with Windows, I can drag any window to the side and have it maximize the space that is left which is just perfect.
  - bluejekyll 10y ago
    Have you tried the split screen with two full screen apps? I do this all the time now with an editor and terminal next to each other. In fact I pretty much use full screen apps and spaces all the time now, reminiscent of my UNIX setup with fvwm.
    - staticelf 10y ago
      Yes I do that all the time on Windows, it's a lot harder on a macOS though.
  - yoz-y 10y ago
    I agree with the parent. However I do use better snap tool to be able to maximize any window (double click on the title bar) and have left-right half expansion (like windows) when moving window to the side.
- WayneBro 10y ago
  They didn't think that a one-button mouse was a problem for the longest time either. Apple can be wrong and they're certainly wrong here. OS X window management is completely incoherent and not well thought out compared to Windows.
- ksk 10y ago
  >But when you use a 27" iMac you kinda get why it works that way. That is optimizing for the least common use case. It makes even less sense to do that, than to just have a maximize button.
gagege 10y ago
I'm not familiar with this complaint. Can you explain it to me? When I click the green button the app fills up the screen, then I can just three-finger-swipe between windows, I love it. Is that what you don't like?
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- hamstergene 10y ago
  There is a legion of people who think macOS has maximize functionality. They would activate green zoom button and if zoomed size happens to be smaller than whole of desktop's working space (e.g. Safari), complain that maximize button is bugged.
  - kemayo 10y ago
    In fairness, macOS' behavior is less predictable than maximize, insofar as what happens when you press the green button depends on the contents of the particular window. Whether this is a problem or not depends on one's own particular tastes in OS behavior.
pidg 10y ago
Holding the Option key when clicking the Full Screen button is part of my muscle memory now. I never understood the reasoning behind trying to change user behavior to favor 'full screen' over 'maximize' in a multitasking OS.
- Alphasite_ 10y ago
  Becuase most people struggle with multiple tabs, imagine how painful multiple tabs in multiple windows may get.
- fzzzy 10y ago
  You can also just double-click on the title bar. I used to be mad that they switched the meaning of the + button, but once I discovered the double click trick I have been happy. I think it is even more convenient. Another thing that made me mad in the past was when they switched New Folder from being Command-N to Command-Shift-N during the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X. Nowadays I tend to just make new folders in the terminal with mkdir.
  - makecheck 10y ago
    The command-N change made it more consistent with most applications where “new” creates a window of some kind. Besides, in the Keyboard section of System Preferences, you can remap any menu command to any key sequence that you want. (It is unfortunate that these mappings are as buried as they are.)
- emsy 10y ago
  On a Macbook you can three-finger swipe through the fullscreen apps (and spaces) which is similar to app switching on mobile devices. That could be their intention.
djrogers 10y ago
> they haven't fixed the maximize the window functionality Click the green dot, go full-screen. Double click the title bar or option-click the green dot and you get a maximized window that takes up the screen minus the dock, but doesn't enter full-screen mode. What exactly needs to be 'fixed'? Or is it simply that it's not exactly the same as the Windows functionality that's your real complaint?
- ubernostrum 10y ago
  Double-clicking the title bar does not cause the window to take up "the screen minus the dock".
  - jorts 10y ago
    I've never figured out what the green button does besides make the window larger and randomly sized. I always figured there was something that the size was tied to but never invested the time in figuring it out. I use SizeUp and never click on any of the buttons now anyway. I do miss Windows for this functionality.
    - freehunter 10y ago
      Most programs I use, the green button causes the window to go full screen and switch to another desktop. But double clicking the title bar in Safari, for example, sets it to what seems to be an arbitrary width and maximized from top to bottom of the screen. I don't know how to get it to fill the entire screen without switching to another desktop.
      - mikeash 10y ago
        The intent is to size the window to fit the content. For example, if you're viewing an image, then the window's size would be set to the image's size (or to the screen size, if the image is bigger than the screen). For something like Safari, there often isn't a single sensible content size, so it ends up just trying something reasonable for the width.
mattnewton 10y ago
Try using a tool like Moom or divvy - both give you super powers compared to the usual fullscreen
- eriksssss 10y ago
  I use Divvy with a set of hotkeys that makes window arrangement a breeze. Using my numberpad, the keys represent quadrants (1,3,7,9), halves (2,4,6,8) or fullscreen (5). This works great for large screens. I have no desire (or need)to move my windows around with a mouse.
Razengan 10y ago
Fullscreen gives you more space than "maximizing" and macOS has always had better multi-desktop management than Windows. With the two/three-finger swipe gestures on trackpad/Magic Mouse, in combination with the Mission Control hotkeys/hot corners, it's very convenient to slide between multiple fullscreen windows. For example I have one hot-corner set to show all desktops and another corner to show all windows for the current applications. I just throw my mouse into the corner then throw a window to its own desktop. The split-view just makes it better, especially since you can resize two windows with just one action, unlike Windows' snapping. However, depending on the physical size of my screen, I do prefer to have some of my nice wallpapers showing around a window at all times.
- vxNsr 10y ago
  When half the people here don't know how to use the window management features of an os even though they've been using it for some time I wouldn't be so quick to call it better than the competition.
- mikeash 10y ago
  Before Spaces was introduced in 10.5, the Mac had no multi-desktop management.

starquake 10y ago

I think they didn't fix it because they didn't think it's a problem. I understand it might be hard to get used to if you're used to using applications fullscreen. But when you use a 27" iMac you kinda get why it works that way. I just have a lot of big windows and actually never want to maximize any of them. Partly overlapping windows also makes it easy to switch between them. So it actually suits the way I work quite well. As I see it: Apple has a vision on how you are supposed to work with a computer. You can only change it slightly. Maybe you like it, maybe you don't. I generally like to adapt the ideas a UI or OS is using. As long as it feels coherent and well thought out.

staticelf 10y ago
Well on my main computer I am running a 34" screen with 3440x1440 in resolution. But when on a MacBook you really want to be able to maximize the window. Also, on my large screen, with Windows, I can drag any window to the side and have it maximize the space that is left which is just perfect.
- bluejekyll 10y ago
  Have you tried the split screen with two full screen apps? I do this all the time now with an editor and terminal next to each other. In fact I pretty much use full screen apps and spaces all the time now, reminiscent of my UNIX setup with fvwm.
  - staticelf 10y ago
    Yes I do that all the time on Windows, it's a lot harder on a macOS though.
- yoz-y 10y ago
  I agree with the parent. However I do use better snap tool to be able to maximize any window (double click on the title bar) and have left-right half expansion (like windows) when moving window to the side.
WayneBro 10y ago
They didn't think that a one-button mouse was a problem for the longest time either. Apple can be wrong and they're certainly wrong here. OS X window management is completely incoherent and not well thought out compared to Windows.
ksk 10y ago
>But when you use a 27" iMac you kinda get why it works that way. That is optimizing for the least common use case. It makes even less sense to do that, than to just have a maximize button.

gagege 10y ago

I'm not familiar with this complaint. Can you explain it to me? When I click the green button the app fills up the screen, then I can just three-finger-swipe between windows, I love it. Is that what you don't like?

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hamstergene 10y ago
There is a legion of people who think macOS has maximize functionality. They would activate green zoom button and if zoomed size happens to be smaller than whole of desktop's working space (e.g. Safari), complain that maximize button is bugged.
- kemayo 10y ago
  In fairness, macOS' behavior is less predictable than maximize, insofar as what happens when you press the green button depends on the contents of the particular window. Whether this is a problem or not depends on one's own particular tastes in OS behavior.

pidg 10y ago

Holding the Option key when clicking the Full Screen button is part of my muscle memory now. I never understood the reasoning behind trying to change user behavior to favor 'full screen' over 'maximize' in a multitasking OS.

Alphasite_ 10y ago
Becuase most people struggle with multiple tabs, imagine how painful multiple tabs in multiple windows may get.
fzzzy 10y ago
You can also just double-click on the title bar. I used to be mad that they switched the meaning of the + button, but once I discovered the double click trick I have been happy. I think it is even more convenient. Another thing that made me mad in the past was when they switched New Folder from being Command-N to Command-Shift-N during the transition from Mac OS 9 to Mac OS X. Nowadays I tend to just make new folders in the terminal with mkdir.
- makecheck 10y ago
  The command-N change made it more consistent with most applications where “new” creates a window of some kind. Besides, in the Keyboard section of System Preferences, you can remap any menu command to any key sequence that you want. (It is unfortunate that these mappings are as buried as they are.)
emsy 10y ago
On a Macbook you can three-finger swipe through the fullscreen apps (and spaces) which is similar to app switching on mobile devices. That could be their intention.

djrogers 10y ago

> they haven't fixed the maximize the window functionality Click the green dot, go full-screen. Double click the title bar or option-click the green dot and you get a maximized window that takes up the screen minus the dock, but doesn't enter full-screen mode. What exactly needs to be 'fixed'? Or is it simply that it's not exactly the same as the Windows functionality that's your real complaint?

ubernostrum 10y ago
Double-clicking the title bar does not cause the window to take up "the screen minus the dock".
- jorts 10y ago
  I've never figured out what the green button does besides make the window larger and randomly sized. I always figured there was something that the size was tied to but never invested the time in figuring it out. I use SizeUp and never click on any of the buttons now anyway. I do miss Windows for this functionality.
  - freehunter 10y ago
    Most programs I use, the green button causes the window to go full screen and switch to another desktop. But double clicking the title bar in Safari, for example, sets it to what seems to be an arbitrary width and maximized from top to bottom of the screen. I don't know how to get it to fill the entire screen without switching to another desktop.
    - mikeash 10y ago
      The intent is to size the window to fit the content. For example, if you're viewing an image, then the window's size would be set to the image's size (or to the screen size, if the image is bigger than the screen). For something like Safari, there often isn't a single sensible content size, so it ends up just trying something reasonable for the width.

mattnewton 10y ago

Try using a tool like Moom or divvy - both give you super powers compared to the usual fullscreen

eriksssss 10y ago
I use Divvy with a set of hotkeys that makes window arrangement a breeze. Using my numberpad, the keys represent quadrants (1,3,7,9), halves (2,4,6,8) or fullscreen (5). This works great for large screens. I have no desire (or need)to move my windows around with a mouse.

Razengan 10y ago

Fullscreen gives you more space than "maximizing" and macOS has always had better multi-desktop management than Windows. With the two/three-finger swipe gestures on trackpad/Magic Mouse, in combination with the Mission Control hotkeys/hot corners, it's very convenient to slide between multiple fullscreen windows. For example I have one hot-corner set to show all desktops and another corner to show all windows for the current applications. I just throw my mouse into the corner then throw a window to its own desktop. The split-view just makes it better, especially since you can resize two windows with just one action, unlike Windows' snapping. However, depending on the physical size of my screen, I do prefer to have some of my nice wallpapers showing around a window at all times.

vxNsr 10y ago
When half the people here don't know how to use the window management features of an os even though they've been using it for some time I wouldn't be so quick to call it better than the competition.
mikeash 10y ago
Before Spaces was introduced in 10.5, the Mac had no multi-desktop management.