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This mag limit obsession /fascinates/ me. Here is why. The people who push this are generally people who also believe that what we really need in the gun debate
by jonstokes 10y ago
This mag limit obsession /fascinates/ me. Here is why. The people who push this are generally people who also believe that what we really need in the gun debate is hard data. Like, actual data from studies and such.
There are no studies indicating that mag limit would save lives in a mass shooting situation. None.
I understand that the mag capacity/body count link seems intuitively to be true, but I've read a number of accounts from actual weapon experts (I think the last time I saw this was on Sofrep.com, from some former SF guys) that indicate that this is not actually the case. And ultimately, wouldn't it be best to base a mag capacity ban on, y'know, actual hard data, and not what we sort of think is probably true?
I read someone who did the math (i.e. 2 seconds per mag change, rate of fire, mag capacity... I don't recall the details and Google isn't cooperating at the moment) and he determined that mag capacity has pretty much no effect on the amount of fire you can lay down in 5-minute engagement, which is about how long these shootings last.
The one thing you can say about mag changes is that they introduce an opportunity for operator error (dropped mag etc.). So over the course of some number of mass shootings, if you know the odds of operator error during a mag change and the impact of that error on the rate of fire, you could probably calculate some number of rounds saved.
Anyway, for reference, here is some random Meal Team Six commando on YouTube that I found demonstrating a mag change:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkLCc7H-oSI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bkLCc7H-oSI
That guy took two seconds to change mags, and doesn't even look like he knows what he's doing. You can find plenty of sub-second mag changes on YouTube from random airsoft guys.
I'm pretty confident that the mag capacity/body count link would not hold up to even cursory scientific scrutiny.
- ryanmarsh 10y agoThanks for the data and thanks for proving my point. Seems like we should only allow 5 round mags that have complicated release mechanisms.
- jonstokes 10y agoI can see why you might want to say that I proved your point, but I don't think I did. If mag capacity has no effect on round count (and hence body count), then enacting a ban on a commonly available accessory and legislating some elaborate (and as yet unspecified) set of design changes to a few million existing weapons seems like a pretty silly proposal.
- tracker1 10y agoAny complications to usage actually make guns more dangerous, not less. There's a reason the glock is as popular with police and military personnel as it is.
- mimo777 10y agoThis guy would seem to agree with you: https://youtu.be/MCSySuemiHU https://youtu.be/MCSySuemiHU