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what do you mean stupid license? what are the restrictions?

by bedros 10y ago

jordigh 10y ago
https://lobste.rs/s/uafwxi/safe_c_subset_is_vapourware/comments/mkqkbv#c_mkqkbv https://lobste.rs/s/uafwxi/safe_c_subset_is_vapourware/comme... Thankfully, there are other implementations with perfectly free licenses: gdc and lldc.
- Shorel 10y ago
  That's written tongue in cheek, and it basically means something totally different to what you understood. The license doesn't forbid anything. At all. It simply states that it doesn't guarantee any use at all either. Therefore, you can use it to do whatever you want to do, but because there was no guarantee, you can't sue the software creator. I will paste the text here, for others to read it: "The Software is not generally available software. It has not undergone testing and may contain errors. The Software was not designed to operate after December 31, 1999. It may be incomplete and it may not function properly. No support or maintenance is provided with this Software. Do not install or distribute the Software if you are not accustomed to using or distributing experimental software. Do not use this software for life critical applications, or applications that could cause significant harm or property damage." Now my explanation: Don't use DMD it in a peacemaker. Or use it, if you thing the technology is suitable. But if you do use it in a peacemaker, and it fails, it will be your fault and not the fault of the creator of the DMD compiler. It's pretty much a standard disclaimer and all licenses have one. The equivalent disclaimer text of the GPL license (used by gdc and lots of other software) is this (the original text is in caps): THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW. EXCEPT WHEN OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES PROVIDE THE PROGRAM “AS IS” WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU. SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION. IN NO EVENT UNLESS REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW OR AGREED TO IN WRITING WILL ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER, OR ANY OTHER PARTY WHO MODIFIES AND/OR CONVEYS THE PROGRAM AS PERMITTED ABOVE, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR DAMAGES, INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE PROGRAM (INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LOSS OF DATA OR DATA BEING RENDERED INACCURATE OR LOSSES SUSTAINED BY YOU OR THIRD PARTIES OR A FAILURE OF THE PROGRAM TO OPERATE WITH ANY OTHER PROGRAMS), EVEN IF SUCH HOLDER OR OTHER PARTY HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. Anyway, the best part of D is that I think the confusing text will be discussed in their forums by their great community and something will be done about it.
  - jordigh 10y ago
    > That's written tongue in cheek Lawyers don't have tongues or cheeks. I have been told that Walter regularly tries to change the license but Symantec just doesn't seem to care.
    - Shorel 10y ago
      > I have been told that Walter regularly tries to change the license but Symantec just doesn't seem to care. Now that's sad :/
    - Shorel 10y ago
      I was right about the D community, this has been discussed this month. http://forum.dlang.org/thread/lodjbuvdhimrvrdngldy@forum.dlang.org http://forum.dlang.org/thread/lodjbuvdhimrvrdngldy@forum.dla...

what do you mean stupid license? what are the restrictions?

by bedros 10y ago

what do you mean stupid license? what are the restrictions?

https://lobste.rs/s/uafwxi/safe_c_subset_is_vapourware/comments/mkqkbv#c_mkqkbv https://lobste.rs/s/uafwxi/safe_c_subset_is_vapourware/comme... Thankfully, there are other implementations with perfectly free licenses: gdc and lldc.

Shorel 10y ago
That's written tongue in cheek, and it basically means something totally different to what you understood. The license doesn't forbid anything. At all. It simply states that it doesn't guarantee any use at all either. Therefore, you can use it to do whatever you want to do, but because there was no guarantee, you can't sue the software creator. I will paste the text here, for others to read it: "The Software is not generally available software. It has not undergone testing and may contain errors. The Software was not designed to operate after December 31, 1999. It may be incomplete and it may not function properly. No support or maintenance is provided with this Software. Do not install or distribute the Software if you are not accustomed to using or distributing experimental software. Do not use this software for life critical applications, or applications that could cause significant harm or property damage." Now my explanation: Don't use DMD it in a peacemaker. Or use it, if you thing the technology is suitable. But if you do use it in a peacemaker, and it fails, it will be your fault and not the fault of the creator of the DMD compiler. It's pretty much a standard disclaimer and all licenses have one. The equivalent disclaimer text of the GPL license (used by gdc and lots of other software) is this (the original text is in caps): THERE IS NO WARRANTY FOR THE PROGRAM, TO THE EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW. EXCEPT WHEN OTHERWISE STATED IN WRITING THE COPYRIGHT HOLDERS AND/OR OTHER PARTIES PROVIDE THE PROGRAM “AS IS” WITHOUT WARRANTY OF ANY KIND, EITHER EXPRESSED OR IMPLIED, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, THE IMPLIED WARRANTIES OF MERCHANTABILITY AND FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. THE ENTIRE RISK AS TO THE QUALITY AND PERFORMANCE OF THE PROGRAM IS WITH YOU. SHOULD THE PROGRAM PROVE DEFECTIVE, YOU ASSUME THE COST OF ALL NECESSARY SERVICING, REPAIR OR CORRECTION. IN NO EVENT UNLESS REQUIRED BY APPLICABLE LAW OR AGREED TO IN WRITING WILL ANY COPYRIGHT HOLDER, OR ANY OTHER PARTY WHO MODIFIES AND/OR CONVEYS THE PROGRAM AS PERMITTED ABOVE, BE LIABLE TO YOU FOR DAMAGES, INCLUDING ANY GENERAL, SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES ARISING OUT OF THE USE OR INABILITY TO USE THE PROGRAM (INCLUDING BUT NOT LIMITED TO LOSS OF DATA OR DATA BEING RENDERED INACCURATE OR LOSSES SUSTAINED BY YOU OR THIRD PARTIES OR A FAILURE OF THE PROGRAM TO OPERATE WITH ANY OTHER PROGRAMS), EVEN IF SUCH HOLDER OR OTHER PARTY HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH DAMAGES. Anyway, the best part of D is that I think the confusing text will be discussed in their forums by their great community and something will be done about it.
- jordigh 10y ago
  > That's written tongue in cheek Lawyers don't have tongues or cheeks. I have been told that Walter regularly tries to change the license but Symantec just doesn't seem to care.
  - Shorel 10y ago
    > I have been told that Walter regularly tries to change the license but Symantec just doesn't seem to care. Now that's sad :/
  - Shorel 10y ago
    I was right about the D community, this has been discussed this month. http://forum.dlang.org/thread/lodjbuvdhimrvrdngldy@forum.dlang.org http://forum.dlang.org/thread/lodjbuvdhimrvrdngldy@forum.dla...