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Consider the fact that Google open-sourced pioneering RAPPOR when it started using it for collecting information about malicious websites visited by the users
by aub3bhat 10y ago
Consider the fact that Google open-sourced pioneering RAPPOR when it started using it for collecting information about malicious websites visited by the users on Chrome. Apple on the other hand is collecting far more invasive data about keystrokes while hiding the details of implementation. Why should we trust whoever apple trots out at its keynote? How is this different from people who trusted Theranos since its board was filled with former secretary of state and such.
Apples approach towards research and privacy is designed to make press headlines and fool reporters similar to Theranos. Its time to hold Apple to standards of Peer Review as practiced by Google, Facebook and others.
https://research.googleblog.com/2014/10/learning-statistics-with-privacy-aided.html?m=1 https://research.googleblog.com/2014/10/learning-statistics-...
- yardie 10y agoApple on the other hand is collecting far more invasive data about keystrokes Wait what?! Do you have any evidence of this or you just pulling this out of your butt?
- aub3bhat 10y ago"Improving quicktype predictions" => "sending keystrokes with randomized response" https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/14/apple-differential-privacy/ https://www.engadget.com/2016/06/14/apple-differential-priva...
- zepto 10y agoThe article contradicts your statement.
- aub3bhat 10y agoIf you assume that the Apple implementation is perfect then sure it does contradict. Hell given the amount of information people store on cloud, It might not even be a big deal. But its not wrong to seek verification via peer review since they are making bold claims.
- zepto 10y agoYour claim that they are collecting 'invasive' data is unsupported by any evidence whatsoever, and yet you falsely stated it as fact, while comparing Apple with Theranos.
- aub3bhat 10y agoJust look at official Apple keynote video at 1 Hour 40 Minute mark. They clearly show Differential Privacy next to contextual typing suggestions and mention it. There is no magic its software and if Apple claims to have made some Differentially Private method to provide contextual typing suggestions they ought to open up the system for inspections so that users can verify amount of information being transferred. And this is not unprecedented since its exactly what Google did. Otherwise Apple should get off the high horse. Can you imagine Apple claiming to implement a non NIST crypto and refusing to divulge details claiming security by obscurity. Everyone would cry bloody murder. Apples behavior couldn't be further from theranos in this case. Apple is essentially selling kool-aid and you are drinking it.
- zepto 10y agoGoogle did nothing of the sort. They opened only a single feature of chrome to this kind of inspection. Do you have any idea what kind of data google collects from Android users and stores as part of their profile? I thought not.
- aub3bhat 10y agoThey opened up the feature that they claimed used "differential privacy".
- zepto 10y agoSure but it is in no way comparable to what Apple is doing or claiming. Apple makes some bold claims about how they respect user privacy and don't create profiles across their whole system. Could there be bugs in that causing it to be imperfect? Sure. Could they just be deceiving their customers? Very unlikely given the number of employees who would need to collide in such a fraud. Asking Apple to open their systems to enable this to be audited is as reasonable as asking Google to open-source the search algorithm so it can be audited for political bias. Are you calling for that too? And just to be clear - Google doesn't make any claims about not creating a detailed identifiable profile on each user, incorporating all the data across all their services as they see fit. If you are going to accuse Apple of lying, the burden of proof is on you.
- NEDM64 10y agoSo you're citing crap bloggers that don't have a clue about what they are talking about, and don't present any evidence for what they write? Good!
- aub3bhat 10y agoJust look at official Apple keynote video at 1 Hour 40 Minute mark. They clearly show Differential Privacy next to contextual typing suggestions.