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> now own their homes Most londoners don't consider that a plus if it's in the middle of nowhere with no culture or anything to do.

madaxe_again 10y ago
And most Londoners consider Bristol to be the middle of nowhere. I rest my case.
- stuaxo 10y ago
  Would like to move to Bristol, but doesn’t seem to be enough contracting work doing python to sustain a career.
vidarh 10y ago
Most londoners I know who rent constantly whine about how they can't afford a deposit (yet are unwilling to consider moving further out than zone 2 to save on rent so they'll be able to save up for one).
- UVB-76 10y ago
  The gains from moving further out are all priced in through increased cost of public transport, so on top of the lower quality of living and longer commute, you generally end up paying the same.
  - vidarh 10y ago
    Some places that is true, but not nearly all. The "premium" I used to pay to commute in to central London vs. if I'd needed only a zone 1 travel card used to be about 600 pounds a year. 50 pounds a month. For that I was able to get a 3 bed house with garden paying less a month than co-workers renting tiny one bed flats or even a room in a flat-share in many cases. When I moved out to zone 5 from zone 2 (well technically 3, but my best route was get the bus to a zone 2 station), the combined cost of the premium on my travel card and mortgage/insurance/other costs was still lower than the 2 bedroom flat we used to rent. The thing is, there is nowhere "cheap" in zone 1 or 2 that people with options want to live in, but once you get further out, you have a lot more choice. I certainly could end up paying more - I'm within a short bus ride from some of the most affluent areas in England (parts of South Croydon is full of large estates that are dirt cheap by London standards, yet within commutable distance to central London). The quality living for me is far higher here, and the travel distance to central London is low enough that when I need to commute in I often had shorter commute than people who lived in zone 1 or two but happened to live on the "wrong" tube line.
humanrebar 10y ago
> with no culture Everywhere has a culture. It's more accurate to say you don't appreciate other cultures.

madaxe_again 10y ago

And most Londoners consider Bristol to be the middle of nowhere. I rest my case.

stuaxo 10y ago
Would like to move to Bristol, but doesn’t seem to be enough contracting work doing python to sustain a career.

vidarh 10y ago

Most londoners I know who rent constantly whine about how they can't afford a deposit (yet are unwilling to consider moving further out than zone 2 to save on rent so they'll be able to save up for one).

UVB-76 10y ago
The gains from moving further out are all priced in through increased cost of public transport, so on top of the lower quality of living and longer commute, you generally end up paying the same.
- vidarh 10y ago
  Some places that is true, but not nearly all. The "premium" I used to pay to commute in to central London vs. if I'd needed only a zone 1 travel card used to be about 600 pounds a year. 50 pounds a month. For that I was able to get a 3 bed house with garden paying less a month than co-workers renting tiny one bed flats or even a room in a flat-share in many cases. When I moved out to zone 5 from zone 2 (well technically 3, but my best route was get the bus to a zone 2 station), the combined cost of the premium on my travel card and mortgage/insurance/other costs was still lower than the 2 bedroom flat we used to rent. The thing is, there is nowhere "cheap" in zone 1 or 2 that people with options want to live in, but once you get further out, you have a lot more choice. I certainly could end up paying more - I'm within a short bus ride from some of the most affluent areas in England (parts of South Croydon is full of large estates that are dirt cheap by London standards, yet within commutable distance to central London). The quality living for me is far higher here, and the travel distance to central London is low enough that when I need to commute in I often had shorter commute than people who lived in zone 1 or two but happened to live on the "wrong" tube line.

humanrebar 10y ago

> with no culture Everywhere has a culture. It's more accurate to say you don't appreciate other cultures.