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> fulfillment of their wants and needs But what if these wants and needs include contributing to society but there are not enough opportunities to do so? Whil
by discodave 10y ago
> fulfillment of their wants and needs
But what if these wants and needs include contributing to society but there are not enough opportunities to do so?
While many people do jobs out of necessity, they also get an amount of satisfaction out of doing something with a purpose.
- nitrogen 10y agoAssuming automation meets greater than 100% of material needs, people could serve society by creating funny GIFs and sharing vacation photos.
- tajen 10y agoThat's funny, because creating GIFs is what 9Gag does, and it requires very few humans. Actually admins create most gifs, give them 300 points, and reissue them every 3 months.
- nitrogen 10y agoNothing will require any humans at that point. But an economy can still form. Read "Down and Out in the Magic Kingdom": https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_the_Magic_Kingdom https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_and_Out_in_the_Magic_Ki...
- collyw 10y agoBollocks. They were talking about computers taking our jobs 30 years ago when I was in School. Everyone seems to be working more hours these days rather than less.
- dragonwriter 10y ago> Everyone seems to be working more hours these days rather than less. At lower real hourly wages. Which is the effect of automation competing with human labor, it doesn't outright destroy jobs, it just reduces the market-clearing price of the forms of labor it is able to compete with.
- collyw 10y agoYou could equally argue that it was down to women entering the workforce.
- ajuc 10y ago10% will be creating indie games, 80% will be doing "let's plays". But seriously, if we have too much people to work why not make scientists from all of them? 1. Change education system with the assumption that the default career is experimental science. 2. Change the workflow so that you don't need to be incredibly smart to prove you can be allowed to measure stuff and write the results down. 3. pay all these people to do science instead if of paying them the guaranteed income. If we have to waste money at least "waste" them on something useful. Imagine the progress we could make if 50% of population worked as scientists. Imagine how different a society would look.
- T-A 10y agoBecause the average IQ is, by definition, 100.
- ajuc 10y agoIrrelevant. Society made up by Einsteins would have average IQ 100 as well. The problem would be real if society was mostly people that can't have any positive impact on science, but I don't think it's true, especially if we trained everybody with the listed assumptions.
- T-A 10y ago> Society made up by Einsteins would have average IQ 100 as well. Irrelevant. Which kind of "positive impact on science" would you expect from somebody with an IQ of 100 in the real world, as opposed to your hypothetical "society made up of Einsteins"?
- ajuc 10y agoI would expect them to carefuly do the assigned experiments and record the results. If they can be trusted with mounting cars they can be trusted with reading and writing. Assign same experiments to 10 different teams all over the world to be sure. Would be actually better than unmotivated incredibly bright people hastily doing these experiments once. Yes the way we do science would need to change but I think it's for the better. It's not like most of the work post-docs do isn't menial.
- collyw 10y agoThere are (marketing) interns in my company who's work isn't far off doing that.
- chongli 10y agoTons of people today contribute to society without having a job pay them to do it. It's called volunteering, parenting, caring for sick/elderly family members, organizing community events, running for local elections, etc. etc. etc. The biggest lie of our job-based corporate society is the belief that, unless you're doing a "job", you're not working.